Savewaterdrinkgin
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Completely agree with everything you both said Apple and Sara, no case has been like this one before or since. I have a gut feeling Mrs fenn May have been threatened or paid off to change her story. I could be wrong and it could be complete lies, but I wouldn’t trust the McCanns if they told me the sky was blue.
Gerry definitely said he was a Freemason too. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but he changed his story a lot, ‘confusion is good’ are the words he used.
The police were concerned the twins were drugged as they didn’t wake, but kate and Gerry refused for them to be tested or checked over until months later implying they knew they were drugged and when it would leave their system. They let the twins back in the care of the club staff the next day, would you risk that not knowing if one of them was the abductor? I wouldn’t trust anyone, not my friends we were with or even potentially each other in that moment. If I were the twins now I’d be very suspicious of my parents and I’d question why they put me at risk too. They must deep down have some suspicions themselves by now, or maybe even remember something that would solve the case.
A neighbour spoke out shocked that they had an older daughter as they thought the twins were their only children. Why had they never seen Maddie with her parents? No comments from friends or nursery staff saying what a lovely girl she is and they miss her etc as you see with many cases. If they went to the trouble to ban this, why?
Has anyone seen the photo of Kate in a hammock with a young Maddie and a little boy? They look very similar. I believe someone found out his name but there was no mention of who he was and why he was with the McCanns, leading people to think she was a twin or there was a secret child before her, but that goes down the conspiracy theory route. Some people thought Gerry wasn’t the biological father or they’d used a surrogate, refusing to show medical records makes you wonder what they wanted to hide and how these rumours even came about.
2 of the men from the group went out to sea on a catamaran and one of them accidentally fell in, supposedly. Some clothes were found washed up along the beach. Imo they were testing if and where something would wash up. Perhaps dumping evidence. The question is why they mentioned this as it could have implicated them.
The cats file is a big clue something wasn’t right with Gerry. You don’t just have a folder, if one exists there is a reason and the fact is was empty means someone purposely deleted whatever was in it, there’s no alternative. It was long before the fairytale abduction too. They can be opened for many reasons, domestic violence for example. David Payne was recognised by a social worker and she knew something wasn’t right when she found out he was part of the group, her concern for the children was noticed.
Have they ever publicly answered the people who wanted to know what is in the urn that appeared on their mantlepiece in the documentary? I know it was believed to be a money pot, but it’s a strange thing to place centre stage in a shrine for your missing daughter.
As for the debate over why they wouldn’t come clean if their daughter had died accidentally or otherwise, I’m assuming they couldn’t allow an autopsy for whatever reason. Perhaps it would uncover abuse. Possibly being blackmailed if someone with power was involved. If Maddie was an unwell child as some believed, they could have been self diagnosing and medicating, not necessarily drugging her to sleep although that’s the most likely cause.
Think back to Gerry and David’s vile talk about the little girls in the group. Kate’s description of her child’s genitals. The men bathing all the children. They became friends with Clement frued. This was no normal holiday imo, they weren’t there to enjoy themselves remember. ‘It was our holiday too’ said Kate. The sad photo of Maddie in make up makes me think it was sinister. She was getting to an age where she could tell an adult about something going on at home. They couldn’t risk that. I honestly think whatever happened on that holiday it was something awful either planned on purpose or something went wrong and a terrible accident occurred. I don’t think kate got her chance to say goodbye, ‘they’ve taken her’ seemed to me like the plan had changed without her knowledge. Maddie was likely transported back into the U.K. or another country long before she was even reported missing imo. They were safe in the knowledge she’d never be found, their only concern was hiding the evidence and making the world believe them and now that stress shows in Kate’s face. The only believable emotion I’ve seen from Kate is when she fondly remembered a moment with Maddie trying on her ring. If she didn’t spend much time with her I doubt she had many memories to hold onto, and facts aside as a mother myself that would be heartbreaking.
You’re right there are evil people in the world that harm children on purpose, just look at the news. If it wasn’t the parents how are any of these points possible? There wouldn’t have been blood in the apartment and it wouldn’t have been washed away, they wouldn’t have needed to set their story straight with a timeline as they’d have no story to magic up, they wouldn’t have insisted on an abduction as Maddie could have gone outside looking for her parents and shown up 5 minutes later, there would have been dna everywhere, the dogs wouldn’t have alerted to anything, they would have answered all the questions and shown true fear at what had happened to their daughter, they wouldn’t have played tennis or had their hair done or laughed in fear their child was being abused, calling sky to report her missing would have been the last thing on their minds, deleting call logs and photos no chance it’ll be helpful to track a possible stalker with those, the twins wouldn’t leave my sight, I’d speed to every sighting myself if I had to, people doubting my story would be ignored as I’d have nothing to hide and I’d happily take a lie detector test which they refused, you get my drift that all the factual evidence only happened because they let it which innocent people wouldn’t even think of in that moment.
I’d love to be proven wrong and if they have genuine strong evidence against this man and he hasn’t been set up I hope it brings closure, but with all the evidence against the McCanns I find it highly unlikely for them to get so much coincidental bad luck that circumstances put them in the frame time and time again.
Gerry definitely said he was a Freemason too. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but he changed his story a lot, ‘confusion is good’ are the words he used.
The police were concerned the twins were drugged as they didn’t wake, but kate and Gerry refused for them to be tested or checked over until months later implying they knew they were drugged and when it would leave their system. They let the twins back in the care of the club staff the next day, would you risk that not knowing if one of them was the abductor? I wouldn’t trust anyone, not my friends we were with or even potentially each other in that moment. If I were the twins now I’d be very suspicious of my parents and I’d question why they put me at risk too. They must deep down have some suspicions themselves by now, or maybe even remember something that would solve the case.
A neighbour spoke out shocked that they had an older daughter as they thought the twins were their only children. Why had they never seen Maddie with her parents? No comments from friends or nursery staff saying what a lovely girl she is and they miss her etc as you see with many cases. If they went to the trouble to ban this, why?
Has anyone seen the photo of Kate in a hammock with a young Maddie and a little boy? They look very similar. I believe someone found out his name but there was no mention of who he was and why he was with the McCanns, leading people to think she was a twin or there was a secret child before her, but that goes down the conspiracy theory route. Some people thought Gerry wasn’t the biological father or they’d used a surrogate, refusing to show medical records makes you wonder what they wanted to hide and how these rumours even came about.
2 of the men from the group went out to sea on a catamaran and one of them accidentally fell in, supposedly. Some clothes were found washed up along the beach. Imo they were testing if and where something would wash up. Perhaps dumping evidence. The question is why they mentioned this as it could have implicated them.
The cats file is a big clue something wasn’t right with Gerry. You don’t just have a folder, if one exists there is a reason and the fact is was empty means someone purposely deleted whatever was in it, there’s no alternative. It was long before the fairytale abduction too. They can be opened for many reasons, domestic violence for example. David Payne was recognised by a social worker and she knew something wasn’t right when she found out he was part of the group, her concern for the children was noticed.
Have they ever publicly answered the people who wanted to know what is in the urn that appeared on their mantlepiece in the documentary? I know it was believed to be a money pot, but it’s a strange thing to place centre stage in a shrine for your missing daughter.
As for the debate over why they wouldn’t come clean if their daughter had died accidentally or otherwise, I’m assuming they couldn’t allow an autopsy for whatever reason. Perhaps it would uncover abuse. Possibly being blackmailed if someone with power was involved. If Maddie was an unwell child as some believed, they could have been self diagnosing and medicating, not necessarily drugging her to sleep although that’s the most likely cause.
Think back to Gerry and David’s vile talk about the little girls in the group. Kate’s description of her child’s genitals. The men bathing all the children. They became friends with Clement frued. This was no normal holiday imo, they weren’t there to enjoy themselves remember. ‘It was our holiday too’ said Kate. The sad photo of Maddie in make up makes me think it was sinister. She was getting to an age where she could tell an adult about something going on at home. They couldn’t risk that. I honestly think whatever happened on that holiday it was something awful either planned on purpose or something went wrong and a terrible accident occurred. I don’t think kate got her chance to say goodbye, ‘they’ve taken her’ seemed to me like the plan had changed without her knowledge. Maddie was likely transported back into the U.K. or another country long before she was even reported missing imo. They were safe in the knowledge she’d never be found, their only concern was hiding the evidence and making the world believe them and now that stress shows in Kate’s face. The only believable emotion I’ve seen from Kate is when she fondly remembered a moment with Maddie trying on her ring. If she didn’t spend much time with her I doubt she had many memories to hold onto, and facts aside as a mother myself that would be heartbreaking.
You’re right there are evil people in the world that harm children on purpose, just look at the news. If it wasn’t the parents how are any of these points possible? There wouldn’t have been blood in the apartment and it wouldn’t have been washed away, they wouldn’t have needed to set their story straight with a timeline as they’d have no story to magic up, they wouldn’t have insisted on an abduction as Maddie could have gone outside looking for her parents and shown up 5 minutes later, there would have been dna everywhere, the dogs wouldn’t have alerted to anything, they would have answered all the questions and shown true fear at what had happened to their daughter, they wouldn’t have played tennis or had their hair done or laughed in fear their child was being abused, calling sky to report her missing would have been the last thing on their minds, deleting call logs and photos no chance it’ll be helpful to track a possible stalker with those, the twins wouldn’t leave my sight, I’d speed to every sighting myself if I had to, people doubting my story would be ignored as I’d have nothing to hide and I’d happily take a lie detector test which they refused, you get my drift that all the factual evidence only happened because they let it which innocent people wouldn’t even think of in that moment.
I’d love to be proven wrong and if they have genuine strong evidence against this man and he hasn’t been set up I hope it brings closure, but with all the evidence against the McCanns I find it highly unlikely for them to get so much coincidental bad luck that circumstances put them in the frame time and time again.
well, they're gonna have to spill the beans soon. Cant prosecute someone by saying "I know how you did it but...it's a secret 
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