This is one of the biggest red flags for me. The chronological storage of these documents and the quantity is disturbingJust watched the documentary recently and I do feel that the public have been very misled, I listened to the podcast when it came out, so if anyone does thinks LL is innocent please give the podcast a listen. I haven’t checked but I haven’t seen any reports from NMC and what their input was in all this?
I cannot believe that people think it’s acceptable to have that amount of handovers at home and filed. If she wanted to improve her practice she can write down anything she wants to read up on in her own notebook! I know people can make mistakes and bring a handover home but over 200 is really bizzare. I got a shiver down my spine when I discovered the figure
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It was just some Truthers rubbish I read on Reddit. They are desperate to debunk the insulin claims as it proves poisoning. I have been reading some of the court transcripts and the insulin cases are where Johnson really proves Letby poisoned babies. If MM can't disprove this evidence the rest is irrelevant, she's staying in prison.
Letby kept her first ever handover sheet from her first shift, in a decorative box, it had been through three house moves - so all he comments about them being accidentally kept are rubbish.Just watched the documentary recently and I do feel that the public have been very misled, I listened to the podcast when it came out, so if anyone does thinks LL is innocent please give the podcast a listen. I haven’t checked but I haven’t seen any reports from NMC and what their input was in all this?
I cannot believe that people think it’s acceptable to have that amount of handovers at home and filed. If she wanted to improve her practice she can write down anything she wants to read up on in her own notebook! I know people can make mistakes and bring a handover home but over 200 is really bizzare. I got a shiver down my spine when I discovered the figure
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Letby’s fans like to argue that the handover notes are not evidence of murder. If it’s not that significant then why do they need to pretend it’s normal to have that many confidential documents at home rather than just say ‘yes she shouldn’t have had them. Yes this would be enough for a disciplinary as a minimum’.
Because if they don’t believe the evidence is significant then why can’t they even admit when she’s done something wrong? Why do they have to make up an excuse for every ‘little’ thing? Because they are like this with all of the evidence, in their efforts to paint the picture that Letby was a super-nurse who could do nothing wrong = perfect victim of miscarriage of justice. But being a bad nurse doesn’t equal murderer, so why can’t they even admit she was a bad nurse but the evidence (in their eyes) isn’t enough to convince them she’s guilty?
Even Dimitrova has to pretend it’s not a problem she took all those sheets home. If you want to be seen as credible then why play down basic stuff like that?
Because if they don’t believe the evidence is significant then why can’t they even admit when she’s done something wrong? Why do they have to make up an excuse for every ‘little’ thing? Because they are like this with all of the evidence, in their efforts to paint the picture that Letby was a super-nurse who could do nothing wrong = perfect victim of miscarriage of justice. But being a bad nurse doesn’t equal murderer, so why can’t they even admit she was a bad nurse but the evidence (in their eyes) isn’t enough to convince them she’s guilty?
Even Dimitrova has to pretend it’s not a problem she took all those sheets home. If you want to be seen as credible then why play down basic stuff like that?
Imagine if we all kept something from our first jobs?! I worked in a shop, I haven’t kept the receipt from my first sale in a decorative frame! Surprised they hadn’t found baby tags in her house, they’re easily cut off and replaced.
I've seen comments on Facebook from people claiming to work in healthcare, saying how normal it is to take home handover sheets. One person said she did it every shift. I find that very concerning that confidential information is being taken out of the workplace at such regular intervals, without any understanding of how that is not a good thing!
At Uni we were told that one time a nurse had her handover after work, dropped it on the bus and the person who picked it up was a relative of one of the patients on that handover.
I always kept that in mind when I had confidential information.
It does happen, unfortunately, usually completely by accident at the end of a shift, but the vast majority of staff take it back on their next shift and dispose of it in confidential waste. To accumulate the amount she had and store them that way is very much intentional and a gross misconduct in my opinion
This was her hearingJust watched the documentary recently and I do feel that the public have been very misled, I listened to the podcast when it came out, so if anyone does thinks LL is innocent please give the podcast a listen. I haven’t checked but I haven’t seen any reports from NMC and what their input was in all this?
I cannot believe that people think it’s acceptable to have that amount of handovers at home and filed. If she wanted to improve her practice she can write down anything she wants to read up on in her own notebook! I know people can make mistakes and bring a handover home but over 200 is really bizzare. I got a shiver down my spine when I discovered the figure
Shame on Netflix
Non of his bleatings will stick.
Hes going up against 3 high court judges here not Karen on Facebook.
It’s all noise.
It’s all this clown has.
Hes going up against 3 high court judges here not Karen on Facebook.
It’s all noise.
It’s all this clown has.
I asked my friend who is a trainee nurse about the sheets. She said he’s accidentally taken home those sheets, several times. I asked what she does with them….shredded them immediately was her answer. She said it’s so easy to do as they get shoved in her pocket, but the fact she’s kept 250 sheets and had the time to put them in order is what’s most sinister to me
I made the mistake of reading Hitchen’s most recent crap in the Mail. As usual it was just him polishing his ego about some crusade against Cheshire police. The comments were outstanding! “She should’ve given evidence at her trial”, “The ward was closed after she left”, “The real killer just stopped after she was arrested”, “It’s just like the Post Office scandal”, “She was a convenient White scapegoat”. It shows the calibre and complete lack of knowledge on the case of these numpties who stupidly gobble up this crap.
I had a colleague who would accidentally bring the handover home and I saw her burning it in the fire straight away after a night shift.
On the wards in my experience the bin would be beside the door to try help you remember to bin it on the way out. Not everyone has this system though.
A nurse friend said the same, that taking handover sheets home often happened because you just stuff them in your pocket whilst on shift so you can refer to them whenever you need to, and then forget to dispose of them before leaving. I wasn't sure what they were as I thought they might be confidential printouts. She said they are just handwritten notes you make that are a reminder of anything that you need to remember that day for a patient. A3 has been distressed today so meds changed, B2 refusing food. That kind of thing. She would dispose of them appropriately, but didn’t see them as majorly confidential.
Letby’s had enough personal information on them that the police knew which babies they were associated with. They even suggest she had to refer to one of them to get the spelling of an unusal surname so she could look the mother up on Facebook.
Did she not have the blood gas reading for one of the babies in her house? And she had to have fished it out of the locked waste bin to do that, as a colleague was sure she’d already put it in there herself.
They are confidential if they have identifying patient details, which they did.
If one or two tatty handover sheets had been randomly found at the bottom of the laundry bin, then the argument they had been accidentally kept would hold but no, she had filed them into different bags and taken them on house moves.
Baby M, collapsed and very nearly died. His blood gas was written on a paper towel and kept by Letby. It was thought she had deliberately fished it out of the confidential waste.
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I'm not defending Letby! Just saying that I presumed they were like patients' charts or something until a friend explained. I guess they are as detailed as each person chooses to make them. She used bed numbers, others might use names. She disposed of hers appropriately as soon as she could, but didn't lose sleep over accidentally bringing them home.
Absolutely, and I have done it myself but as you say, you take it back and dispose of it in confidential waste. But it should never happen on a daily basis.
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