A chance of a NG for A&B, none of us have any idea of the evidence coming.
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LL is either the unluckiest b in the world or she is a seriously ducked up baby killer.
Time (and evidence) will tell, but if she is guilty she will not have the same responses and motivation of a 'normal' person, normal behaviour will not apply to her.
I'm interested to hear how the defence argue this, could try blaming it on a pharmacy error or claim someone else did it somewhere else down the line? Not sure how convincing their argument will be.
I don’t know why she didn’t just change jobs to another department if she wanted fast paced emergencies.
I think this one will be the turning point of the trial tbh. It seems as though it was murder, someone was responsible for that overdose. It’s then a matter of proving who had the best opportunity to do that. It seems likely that LL may be found guilty there. But then does that cloud all the other verdicts? As will the jury think if she did that, she had to have done the others when for many of the cases there isn’t strong evidence that there was actually a culprit for the deaths/collapses at all.
Some people get stuck in the same job for years. I think LL did her management placement then first job there as a newly qualified. I always hear people moaning they hate their job but have been there for years on the same ward. They seem to have a mind block at moving on its weird.
Wondering (most certainly in vain) if the delay this morning might be her changing her plea.
At least it would give a little closure to the families and not put everyone through this traumatic trial!
At least it would give a little closure to the families and not put everyone through this traumatic trial!
This is gonna be a tense next 10/15 minutes.
Also.. I imagine it’s better for the nurses to move around rooms on different shifts so that they aren’t always dealing with the highest need babies so that they don’t burn out? She said she was bored in room 3 where it was slower paced but wouldn’t you benefit from having some shifts that were quiet?
I’m wondering if new evidence is being submitted and both sides need time to address it.
I’d say this is probably most likely.
Yeah I know people who have been on the same ward for 10yr and complain but nursing is so understaffed there are absolutely loads of opportunities it's crazy to stay where you are if you're unhappy. I get why she may have been reluctant if she was attached to her team and didn't want to dump them in it when short staffed already and going through a difficult time.
It’s looking very likely yes. If you were the defence you would want to try and convince the jury it wasn’t deliberate at all (like with the air embolus ones) rather than deliberate but it wasn’t my defendant, but he’s not mentioned any natural cause so far. The prosecution opened pretty much immediately with there being an insulin poisoner on the ward - so I think these two cases will be the ones with the strongest evidence.
I think the evidence and explanation about the blood coming out of the babies mouth when the mum walked in and spoke to LL is crucial too. Is it normal for babies to bleed from the mouth during procedures? If it wasn’t for this and the insulin I’d firmly be in the not guilty camp
This sways me a bit towards Guilty as well will have to see what Ben Myers comes up with as a defence.
Legal discussions happen a lot, it can be over evidence, witness availability, points of law ect. I'd be surprised if she's changed her plea but who knows
i agree, I think if they can prove this one they gain a lot of credibility for the other charges. would be ridiculous for the defence to argue a pharmacy error?
I don’t know about interviews but it could have been as simple as the TPN bags for the two babies were made up by different pharmacists (the fact there are two babies with insulin poisoning means they will be looking for common denominators).
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