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I think what you’ve picked up on is her right to legal privilege.

So her trials and permissions to appeal were all done with Ben Myers KC. Myers and her defence team are not allowed to discuss her defence (what expert reports they received, what the reports said. why they didn’t call anyone to give evidence etc) unless she waives legal privileges.

McDonald is her new barrister (not a KC) working on her case going forwards. It’s no longer Ben Myers. But Letby hasn’t waived privileges (confirmed by McD) so he has none of that information on her previous defence strategy.

What this means, is when McDonald presents to the CCRC or Court of Appeal his ‘new evidence’, one of the first things he will be asked is why this wasn’t called at trial originally. Is it really new? Or did you already know this and chose not to call it?

And I think his only answer will be ‘I don’t know, Letby won’t tell me’ although he will try to fluff around it.

It sounds like it will make it very difficult for him to argue her case that this is new evidence. Expert shopping is also frowned upon. A new expert opinion on the same evidence called at trial is not new evidence . But it isn’t stopping him from trying.

We have discussed why, if you are innocent, would you not allow your new defence barrister to know absolutely everything that happened in the original trials. You would want them to look at every little thing to see if anything went wrong or something was missed that he could use.
It sounds to me like he doesn't really give a damn whether her application succeeds or fails. Has he even met Letby yet? It just seems to me that all he wants is the publicity for himself, he's obviously identified the public interest in this case and wants him some of that to make himself 'famous'
 
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A lot of the debate is discussing why the insulin blood tests could be wrong, but surely the defence looked into all this with their own experts? The Letbyist make it sound like BM was happy just to go along with the prosecution's theory.
 
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I still can't believe the incompetence of that hospital for not nipping things in the bud.

Alarm bells would be ringing right away in most neonatal units, which are filled with some of the most caring staff around.

It'll be interesting if the management are ever prosecuted.
 
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What an attention seeker. She is riding the wave of this freak show and loving it.


I wonder what her major malfunction is?
 
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This woman's arrogance and delusion is off the scale.

Now that the terms of any potential engagement are clear, I will reiterate that I do believe in second chances. If you have trolled me to date and I have blocked you but now have thoughtful, respectful questions that have not already been addressed - and that do not risk compromising my position as an expert witness - I would be willing to engage constructively. Please get in touch.

How does she expect people to get in touch if she’s blocked them. Not very bright, is she?
 
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Thank you to everyone who contacted me 🤣🤣

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Calm down hun. The only people that message you are: Sex offender Chris, Merlot Mark and the many alt accounts of that lady that throws the birthday parties.
 
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Now that the terms of any potential engagement are clear, I will reiterate that I do believe in second chances. If you have trolled me to date and I have blocked you but now have thoughtful, respectful questions that have not already been addressed - and that do not risk compromising my position as an expert witness - I would be willing to engage constructively. Please get in touch.

How does she expect people to get in touch if she’s blocked them. Not very bright, is she?
So these are thoughtful respectful questions must back up her point of view? We can't ask why she thinks Dr Brearey caused the liver injury when it's not backed up by the pathologist evidence? Why they are taking very very rare medical problems that they think they occured very frequently but just to Lucy Letby? We can't ask these questions unless we happen to be a consultant Neonatalist otherwise we will be trolling.
 
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Looks like any hope of her being an expert witness has been abandoned and she's been let loose to spread misinformation in the wild
 
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Looks like any hope of her being an expert witness has been abandoned and she's been let loose to spread misinformation in the wild
Yeah it’s weird she’s not posted all this time and now she’s posting stuff like this regularly. I wonder if she thinks because the reports have been submitted she can say what she wants now? But if she says anything (and she already has) that shows she lacked impartiality before she even got involved then surely she’s screwed, it they even get that far.

But there is also no indication she is even on these latest reports and her saying she knows her responsibilities as an expert witness doesn’t mean she’s an expert witness for Letby. Unless she’s still saying this elsewhere.
 
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It seems like Svilena did a lot of work for Mark Mcdonald in the beginning and then more or less got replaced when Shoo Lee and his panel of experts got involved.
 
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Now that the terms of any potential engagement are clear, I will reiterate that I do believe in second chances. If you have trolled me to date and I have blocked you but now have thoughtful, respectful questions that have not already been addressed - and that do not risk compromising my position as an expert witness - I would be willing to engage constructively. Please get in touch.

How does she expect people to get in touch if she’s blocked them. Not very bright, is she?
What position as an expert witnesses? Is McDonald actually going to be stupid enough to use her or is she just pretending?
 
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This woman's arrogance and delusion is off the scale.

It reminds me of the email Letby sent to the entire NNU claiming she'd been exonerated
 
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Now that the terms of any potential engagement are clear, I will reiterate that I do believe in second chances. If you have trolled me to date and I have blocked you but now have thoughtful, respectful questions that have not already been addressed - and that do not risk compromising my position as an expert witness - I would be willing to engage constructively. Please get in touch.

How does she expect people to get in touch if she’s blocked them. Not very bright, is she?
Because she only wants positive feedback that supports/reinforces her position?

ETA: Also, isn't she very much compromising her position as an 'expert witness' by being so vocal on social media?
Playing your full deck for all to see can't be the wisest move, can it? Less is more, surely?
 
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This is interesting. The unherd article claimed the C peptide test was wrong because it read 130 instead of 870 but Dr Anna Milan said it couldn't read under 169 so how could 130 be recorded!
 
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I think what you’ve picked up on is her right to legal privilege.

So her trials and permissions to appeal were all done with Ben Myers KC. Myers and her defence team are not allowed to discuss her defence (what expert reports they received, what the reports said. why they didn’t call anyone to give evidence etc) unless she waives legal privileges.

McDonald is her new barrister (not a KC) working on her case going forwards. It’s no longer Ben Myers. But Letby hasn’t waived privileges (confirmed by McD) so he has none of that information on her previous defence strategy.

What this means, is when McDonald presents to the CCRC or Court of Appeal his ‘new evidence’, one of the first things he will be asked is why this wasn’t called at trial originally. Is it really new? Or did you already know this and chose not to call it?

And I think his only answer will be ‘I don’t know, Letby won’t tell me’ although he will try to fluff around it.

It sounds like it will make it very difficult for him to argue her case that this is new evidence. Expert shopping is also frowned upon. A new expert opinion on the same evidence called at trial is not new evidence . But it isn’t stopping him from trying.

We have discussed why, if you are innocent, would you not allow your new defence barrister to know absolutely everything that happened in the original trials. You would want them to look at every little thing to see if anything went wrong or something was missed that he could use.
Thanks for your reply @Tofino. And as you say, it makes absolutely no sense that you wouldn't want your new defence barrister to have access to everything possible if you knew you were innocent. You might not even think that your original defence team made mistakes, but you would welcome anything that cast doubt on any of the evidence.

No doubt she's enjoying the drama and continual attention. We saw during her own testimony how manipulative she is: for example lying about what she was wearing when she was arrested just to try to elicit sympathy.

As I said before, I have been largely trying to ignore all the talk about her appeal because I find it really distasteful. Letby's own performance on the stand showed her to be an incorrigible liar and a completely unreliable witness. There was so much more that showed her guilt aside from the expert reports. I wonder how MacDonald squares her disputing the time of when Baby E's mother came down with the expressed milk as an example? What is the likelihood of baby E's parent's being mistaken or even lying about such an important detail which was the beginning of what would have been the worst night of their lives? Or when she accidentally said that she knew what she was looking for in relation to baby I?

I can't imagine the pain that the families are feeling with this ongoing campaign.
 
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Thanks for your reply @Tofino. And as you say, it makes absolutely no sense that you wouldn't want your new defence barrister to have access to everything possible if you knew you were innocent. You might not even think that your original defence team made mistakes, but you would welcome anything that cast doubt on any of the evidence.

No doubt she's enjoying the drama and continual attention. We saw during her own testimony how manipulative she is: for example lying about what she was wearing when she was arrested just to try to elicit sympathy.

As I said before, I have been largely trying to ignore all the talk about her appeal because I find it really distasteful. Letby's own performance on the stand showed her to be an incorrigible liar and a completely unreliable witness. There was so much more that showed her guilt aside from the expert reports. I wonder how MacDonald squares her disputing the time of when Baby E's mother came down with the expressed milk as an example? What is the likelihood of baby E's parent's being mistaken or even lying about such an important detail which was the beginning of what would have been the worst night of their lives? Or when she accidentally said that she knew what she was looking for in relation to baby I?

I can't imagine the pain that the families are feeling with this ongoing campaign.
Baby E's parent's testiomy was backed up by the phone records. Of course the Truthers think the phone company made an error.
 
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Baby E's parent's testiomy was backed up by the phone records. Of course the Truthers think the phone company made an error.
I’ve heard them say it was a time zone issue and the phone logs were an hour out 😂

if only Ben Myers KC had thought of that. He’s so inexperienced

 
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Have her supporters ever commented on the condolence card that she wrote for all three triplets? I belong to a Current Affairs group and recently someone raised Letby's case and appeal. I spoke up and talked about all the evidence in addition to the expert reports, but interestingly, it was my mention of the condolence card that really swayed some of the doubters. It was something that just couldn't be reasonably explained away.
 
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