Lucy Letby Case #79

[IGiveUp22]

Right im new to the thread dont shoot me. But what I am is a neonatal nurse (working in level 1 + 3 units) one thing i just dont get is this case. It baffles me every turn. From the family and friends pleading innocence and Lucy herself… im so torn. Is it A set up? Like has something happened in the trust snd shes the skapegoat… im so lost and on the fence…

It really is worth listening to the trial podcasts or reading the evidence at the time of the 10 month trial, particularly her own evidence on the stand.
Im from a police background and I think a lot of people honestly do not realise the gravity of someone changing their evidence from police interview to the stand or to actually lying on the stand. It’s genuinely huge.

I think this is one of those cases to try and take a step back from only the medical evidence. IMO, from following the trial every day, the medical evidence that was made public was strong however, when you also add everything else into it as well including witness evidence from the parents, the fb searches, the documents she took home (and moved house with her), the sympathy card which had a baby’s name that was still alive on it, her own behaviour/comments when these deaths were happening, the notes she wrote herself, all the new evidence in the therwill enquiry with how she behaved/how the management protected her, the fact these babies were all doing well and didn’t respond how they should to resuscitation attempts, how the desaturations were all so unexpected and how these were happening initially only on night shifts, between a specific time frame when LL was working and there were no issues during the day but then when they moved LL to day shifts, those incidents started happening during the day instead and no longer happened on a night shift. The likelihood of that being “bad luck” is slim to none. It’s the whole picture that needs to be considered and I think that’s something a lot of people miss.

I also do not think anyone would be on the fence if she was a “weird” looking woman (or a man)

 

[Tofino]

@Apostate and @dorydaryl you both shared different links regarding Wes Streetings comments today. I thought I’d bring them over here as I think they may have got missed/lost amongst the back and forth discussion at the end of the last thread.

Lucy Letby campaign slammed by top Government minister in six damning words

Wes Streeting has issued Lucy Letby campaigners a stern warning after a panel of experts suggested the deaths in her care were the result of bad medical care and natural causes

www.mirror.co.uk

Campaigning to free Lucy Letby is not the right thing to do, says Wes…

archived 17 Feb 2025 11:18:02 UTC

archive.is

Asked if he had reconsidered his previous comments that speculation on the former nurse’s innocence was “crass and insensitive”, after an expert panel determined there was no medical evidence to support her conviction, he told LBC radio:

“It is still the case that Lucy Letby is convicted of the crimes she was accused of. I know there is a campaign being waged, including by her legal team, to protest her innocence, and including some of my parliamentary colleagues.

“What I would say to those campaigners and to anyone else who’s involved in the court of public opinion, as it were, is that there is a judicial process to follow.”

He said people who thought there had been an unsafe or wrong conviction should “consider those grieving parents who’ve lost their babies”, and pursue legal routes to have her case looked at again because it was “not a political campaign, it’s a legal process”.

He added: “I still think that waging a campaign in this way in the wake of these convictions is not the right thing to do.

“Until I’m told otherwise by the courts of this land, then I continue to stand by the view that there’s been a fair conviction here until the courts determine otherwise, that’s how justice in this country works.”

 

[JarvisCockerSpaniel]

Someone said on Mumsnet that ‘when’ she is freed there should be a bronze statue of LL in the foyer of every hospital in all the land to remind us of the gross miscarriage of justice.

I mean how the Christ do you reason with imbeciles like that.

 

[Bubblemamaa22]

Just out of curiosity, what are you all going to do if she is found to be innocent of all charges against her based on new evidence? The medical negligence going on in the NHS is irrefutable, it’s no secret that the NHS is underfunded and the workers are overworked and pushed to their limits. I’ve linked below an article that describes almost exactly the same negligence as was shown in the LL case from a hospital in Shropshire, just an hour away from Chester. I personally have heard no end of stories about medical negligence and tbh just straight up misconduct from my local hospital. Hospitals are rife with it.

So many of you log on here every day to protest her guilt and type paragraphs and paragraphs detailing how disgusting she is and how much you hate her. I just hope that if she is found innocent you will continue to do what you’re doing, but instead be a voice for all of the mothers who have lost their children, for all the babies that have lost their lives, and a voice for all of the overworked and underpaid staff in hospitals that are in desperate need of help.

These types of cases evoke a lot of emotion, I get that but with new evidence coming to light, I cannot understand why very little of you are open minded to the fact. I think that if you were in her position and were imprisoned based on false, fictitious evidence you would like somebody fighting your corner.

link to article - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-60925959.amp

I don't disagree with you on some of these points regarding the deep issues in the NHS, this is clear listening to the enquiry but also to anyone with a passing interest living in this country - but this evidence is not new. It was available throughout the years long investigation, and at two trials and an appeal. There will be reasons it was not taken forward at trial, presumably because it would have been shaky under cross examination or potentially could have further incriminated her if explored further. It was deemed unhelpful to her case by her professional defence.

Personally, I am not closed minded. I went back and forth with it for months, as I listened and read and discussed, forever asking myself what if she didn't do it. And when I first started following the trial I was skeptical of her guilt, but the more I learned and heard, the less I doubted it.
It just became irrefutable for me. And I'm sure my experience is not unique.
I'm not sure anyone would disagree there are serious issues across the NHS but this does not equate to Letby being innocent.
It's strange, that if these cases were all purely medically negligent, or as a result of misconduct (whose misconduct may I ask - everyone's, a select few, different staff on different days?) that all of her colleagues were only incompetent to the point of losing or almost losing their patients when she was around. And that they suddenly came to their senses and stopped being negligent when she was removed. What a huge coincidence, how unfortunate for Lucy.

*If* she is, I'll eat my words. But I can't say I'm too worried about that, I believe justice was done and the current noise is not only disingenuous but deeply disrespectful to the families at the heart of this who lost their precious babies.

 

[Tofino]

Application is refused!!

 

[MmmB777]

Wow Dr Butcher doesn’t hold back

 

[MmmB777]

Morning all! Just logging in to type paragraphs and paragraphs of daily hate but not got a great deal of time this morning so will just go with

Lucy Letby is a big chinned baby murdering cunt that’s going to die in prison xoxoxo

 

[jolt321]

Just out of curiosity, what are you all going to do if she is found to be innocent of all charges against her based on new evidence? The medical negligence going on in the NHS is irrefutable, it’s no secret that the NHS is underfunded and the workers are overworked and pushed to their limits. I’ve linked below an article that describes almost exactly the same negligence as was shown in the LL case from a hospital in Shropshire, just an hour away from Chester. I personally have heard no end of stories about medical negligence and tbh just straight up misconduct from my local hospital. Hospitals are rife with it.

So many of you log on here every day to protest her guilt and type paragraphs and paragraphs detailing how disgusting she is and how much you hate her. I just hope that if she is found innocent you will continue to do what you’re doing, but instead be a voice for all of the mothers who have lost their children, for all the babies that have lost their lives, and a voice for all of the overworked and underpaid staff in hospitals that are in desperate need of help.

These types of cases evoke a lot of emotion, I get that but with new evidence coming to light, I cannot understand why very little of you are open minded to the fact. I think that if you were in her position and were imprisoned based on false, fictitious evidence you would like somebody fighting your corner.

link to article - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-60925959.amp

There can be failings in care at a hospital while there is also someone taking advantage and harming the babies

There was a series of internal and external reviews prior to police involvement. The police also looked at all other possibilities where Letby was not a factor. The defence also brought up multiple instances of sub-obtimal care.

The fact is that none of this could explain the deaths. Staffing shortages could not be attributed to any of the deaths.

If it wasn't for the management using redacted reports to steer the pathologist towards natural cause explanations for the deaths, the police would have been involved sooner. There would have been a large number of babies deaths with no natural cause explanations.

We don't need to invent pretend scenarios where Letby isn't guilty because she is. This so called "new evidence" isn't new. Its the opinions of a bunch of experts, hand picked for the task of finding alternative explanations that exonerate Letby. They have an inherent bias. The sole reason this panel exists is because Mark McDonald told Dr Lee's that he would need to come up with extraordinary new explanations for each death to have any chance of appeal. They are doing it in an unprofessional manner and are also disregarding key evidence from the trial. The fact is they don't actually have any new evidence whatsoever.

And let's not pretend it's a bad thing to called Letby out for the murdering piece of shit that she is. Look across social media and the forums that have been active for the length of the trial are still hugely in the guilty minority. Websleuths, tattle, Reddit. There are over 13000 members on the main Reddit. I don't see anyone claiming Letby is innocent on there. Of course there is a little offshoot Letbytrials Reddit, but that has a few hundred members and only a dozen or so active posters. All arseholes and deluded fucking weirdos if you ask me.

Maybe you should get better informed before you blindly start believing this "new evidence"

 

[MmmB777]

breaking news ! I wonder who

https://www.archive.is/https://www....aff-hospital-Lucy-Letby-face-prosecution.html

Staff at the hospital where Lucy Letby murdered babies could face prosecution over the deaths as police launch a gross negligence manslaughter investigation.

Cheshire Police announced tonight it had widened the scope of its probe and had notified those who had been identified as suspects.
Detectives would not confirm the number of people under investigation or their roles at the Countess of Chester Hospital.

Detective Superintendent Paul Hughes, Senior Investigating Officer for Operation Hummingbird, said: 'In October 2023 following the lengthy trial and subsequent conviction of Lucy Letby, Cheshire Constabulary launched an investigation into corporate manslaughter at the Countess of Chester Hospital.

'This focuses on senior leadership and their decision making to determine whether any criminality has taken place concerning the response to the increased levels of fatalities.

'As our enquiries have continued, the scope of the investigation has now widened to also include gross negligence manslaughter.


'This is a separate offence to corporate manslaughter and focuses on the grossly negligent action or inaction of individuals. It is important to note that this does not impact on the convictions of Lucy Letby for multiple offences of murder and attempted murder.

'Those identified as suspects have been notified. We will not be confirming the number of people involved or their identity as no arrests or charges have yet been made.

'Both the corporate manslaughter and gross negligence manslaughter elements of the investigation are continuing and there are no set timescales for these.

'Our investigation into the deaths and non-fatal collapses of babies at the neo-natal units of both the Countess of Chester Hospital and the Liverpool Women's Hospital between the period of 2012 to 2016 is also ongoing.
'Our priority is to maintain the integrity of our ongoing investigations and to support the many families who are at the heart of these.


'There is a significant public interest in the reporting of these matters, however, every story that is published, statement made, or comment posted online that refers to the specific details of a live investigation can impede the course of justice and cause further distress to the families concerned.'

 

[Ghostranch]

Right, I've got it! Think I've finally got my head around it! I bet it went down something like this:

Consultants: Lots of babies have died and been harmed because of our poor care. That doesn't look good for the hospital so let's blame it on someone and make out that they are a serial killer. How about nice Lucy?

Management: Yes, ok. A serial killer is preferable to negligent consultants and won't damage our reputation as much. We'll support her and protect her though so she doesn't suffer too much and to throw people off the scent that we are scapegoating her.

Consultants: Wait, do you think you'll look bad due to supporting and protecting a serial killer?

Management: ... nah, we'll be grand.

*Letby is convicted*

Evil managers and consultants: Isn't it great that our chosen scapegoat turned out to be present at every death and incident, inappropriately had loads of handover sheets at her home, stalked families on Facebook, wrote incriminating post-it notes, falsified nursing records, lied on the stand etc. Such a lucky conicidence. It has worked out perfectly!

*Inquiry starts*

Management: Shit!

***

This all makes perfect sense, right? Of course she's a scapegoat! Can't believe we've all been so deluded!

 

[IGiveUp22]

How can McDick assert with such confidence that this is *new* evidence when he has no fucking idea what evidence his client had at the original trial because she won’t let him find out.

Why would someone innocent withhold information from her own bloody lawyer.

I was thinking about this the other day and the only explanation I can come up with is that she is enjoying this and it’s all a game.

I already thought she was (or definitely displays) some narcissistic personality traits and thriving on drama is absolutely up there. That extends to not only the drama she was causing on the ward but also during the trial and now afterwards.

If you were genuinely innocent and you thought the previous counsel fucked up your entire defence, you would absolutely give your new legal team access to EVERYTHING because they’d also want to be looking to make sure due process was followed (hence why I got twitchy at the mention of disclosure before).

She knows none of this stuff is new evidence, she knows all of these alternatives were considered at the previous trial by her previous defence team…she just enjoys the thought of being the focus of attention, she’ll be loving the media reports and the ‘fans’ and also be enjoying the fact that this is amplifying the parent’s grief…she’ll be fantasising about how they’re doing/what they’re posting on socials etc because that’s exactly what she did after she murdered their precious babies.

The only conclusion I can come to why someone wouldn’t be transparent and open with their new legal team if they were 100% innocent is because she knows she is guilty

 

[Tofino]

We’ve been ‘doing us’ for 79 threads/2.5 years.

 

[Tofino]

https://archive.ph/At84W

Today is a rather refreshing day for Letby articles!

 

[Tofino]

I wonder how the Letby fan club will spin this! Given the ‘hospital’ were the ones that scapegoated Letby but now they find themselves under criminal suspicion I guess this will be cheshire police being bullies and doubling down huh?

 

[Tofino]

Dr B must have felt so much relief speaking to Dr Gilby. But now he’s back to a situation where a number of loud voices don’t believe him again and actually want to vilify him. It must be a living nightmare for him.

 

[Apostate]

The anonymous panel member has been revealed. It's Dr Marta Cohen who has been banned in the past from being an expert witness

no wonder they kept her anonymous as long as they could

 

[IGiveUp22]

How can LL be a whistleblower when she was never once concerned about the high numbers of deaths and never reported her own concerns despite being there at EVERY SINGLE ONE

 

[LittleMy]

I’m not going to go back and forth here again, it’s like pissing in the wind with you lot, so all I’ll say is:

She killed them, on purpose, because she wasn’t good enough. She’s evil. She did this.

Her own words.

 

[MmmB777]

I’m not going to go back and forth here again, it’s like pissing in the wind with you lot, so all I’ll say is:

She killed them, on purpose, because she wasn’t good enough. She’s evil. She did this.

Her own words.

ShE wAs ToLd to wRitE tHaT bY HEr CoUnSeLloR

 

[oldjamfan]

The Letbyists will be foaming at the mouth with this news