Lucy Letby Case #79

[MmmB777]

Excellent article

 

[Hazara04]

Article in The Times

Lucy Letby victim’s mother: ‘laughable’ to say nurse may be innocent

archived 18 Mar 2025 23:10:24 UTC

archive.is

 

[Tofino]

It just blows my mind that some people aren’t even being cautious about this. They have immediately gone to ‘Letby is innocent!!’ rather than ‘hmm if what the new panel say is true then I’m a bit unsure these convictions are safe but I need to hear more’

The publicity stunt press conference didn’t even provide a summary report for every baby - only 7 of them. Yet this is enough for some people to champion Letby’s innocence? Nevermind the fact the ‘new evidence’ and expert opinion is untested and therefore not established fact. (Plus seems to have all been heard before a jury in the trial anyway)

They completely ignore that just 7 weeks before the defence had different ‘experts’ making different claims. Dimitrova, Aiton and Taylor are nowhere to be seen. But that’s ok because Dr Lee has all the answers now even if it’s only for 7 babies. Free Letby!!!

Honestly people are so stupid. Seriously. And we are meant to be the closed minded ones?!?!

 

[Tofino]

breaking news ! I wonder who

https://www.archive.is/https://www....aff-hospital-Lucy-Letby-face-prosecution.html

This is wonderful news!!!! It’s a very high bar though I think, I believe nobody in NHS has ever been convicted of something like this before. However I am thrilled these people will at least face some sleepless nights ahead. I guess they won’t confirm numbers as it might be easy to work out who. Hopefully it will make the likes of Rees think twice before gobbing off to the press too.


'This focuses on senior leadership and their decision making to determine whether any criminality has taken place concerning the response to the increased levels of fatalities.

'As our enquiries have continued, the scope of the investigation has now widened to also include gross negligence manslaughter.

'This is a separate offence to corporate manslaughter and focuses on the grossly negligent action or inaction of individuals. It is important to note that this does not impact on the convictions of Lucy Letby for multiple offences of murder and attempted murder.

'Those identified as suspects have been notified. We will not be confirming the number of people involved or their identity as no arrests or charges have yet been made.

 

[Hazara04]

Christopher Snowdon is on GB news tonight

 

[MavisBeacon]

An alternative view from the BBC - Judith Moritz (who covered the whole trial and wrote a book) has a scrolly timeline of incidents and hospital responses. It's top level, but it tells a damning story about Letby and the hospital management

Lucy Letby: Emails and private notes reveal inside story of hospital struggle to stop killer nurse - BBC News

Judith Moritz, who has covered the Letby case from the start, takes us inside the evidence to piece together how events unfolded at the Countess of Chester Hospital - and why it took more than a year to stop a killer.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[O'lee]

Anyone else want to be a fly on the wall in the Rees and Harvey households tonight ?

 

[Tofino]

I think he might have put this in the Spiked article too but I am enjoying it today as much as I did the first time

It is much easier to present a hypothesis at a press conference in a hotel in front of Peter Hitchens and Nadine Dorries than it is to be cross-examined in a court of law.

 

[Tofino]

the letter from Letby's solicitors

https://thirlwall.public-inquiry.uk/wp-content/uploads/thirlwall-documents/Letter%20from%20Bhandal%20Law%20to%20Lady%20Justice%20Thirlwall%20dated%2017%20March%202025.pdf

the statisticians seem heavily involved again

"Two reports from the United Kingdom’s leading statisticians refuting the premise of
the prosecution case of an unexplained spike in deaths and a coincidence of Letby
being present when babies are said to have died or collapsed. This has been done not
by relying on unproven anecdotal evidence but with the use of extensive research and
data analysis. The experts conclude that the jury were misled as to accurate status of
the data. In short, there was no unusual spike, it was not an outlier, and the staff rota
presented to the jury was incomplete, selective and, therefore, meaningless."

One is likely to be Jane Hutton - the other could be Richard Gill but his tattered credibility makes it unlikely he would be used.

Do they honestly think that anyone can be persuaded that 13 deaths in just over a year when the norm was 3 is not "unusual"? They are living in cloud cuckoo land.

Whether the spike is unusual or not is actually irrelevant at this stage. Murder is murder whether that’s one death or more. you Don’t just write off murders because it’s statistically normal.

Spikes and statistics in comparison to previous data or other hospitals should just be used as a tool (one of many) to identify trends and whether further investigation is required. Which is what the statistician in the inquiry said. Statistics is not a diagnositc tool for causes of death

Someone made a comment on Reddit yesterday that they had not looked at all these deaths retrospectively and ‘sharp shooter’ identified Letby. They had identified Letby in the middle of all this, they didn’t remove her, and she continued with her attacks. They couldn’t ’sharp shooter’ her before the future events even happened.

The statistics argument is going nowhere.

 

[LittleMy]

If I have to read the word “scapegoat” in relation to this witch one more time…

 

[AllieBee]

Just out of curiosity, what are you all going to do if she is found to be innocent of all charges against her based on new evidence? The medical negligence going on in the NHS is irrefutable, it’s no secret that the NHS is underfunded and the workers are overworked and pushed to their limits. I’ve linked below an article that describes almost exactly the same negligence as was shown in the LL case from a hospital in Shropshire, just an hour away from Chester. I personally have heard no end of stories about medical negligence and tbh just straight up misconduct from my local hospital. Hospitals are rife with it.

So many of you log on here every day to protest her guilt and type paragraphs and paragraphs detailing how disgusting she is and how much you hate her. I just hope that if she is found innocent you will continue to do what you’re doing, but instead be a voice for all of the mothers who have lost their children, for all the babies that have lost their lives, and a voice for all of the overworked and underpaid staff in hospitals that are in desperate need of help.

These types of cases evoke a lot of emotion, I get that but with new evidence coming to light, I cannot understand why very little of you are open minded to the fact. I think that if you were in her position and were imprisoned based on false, fictitious evidence you would like somebody fighting your corner.

link to article - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-60925959.amp

Does negligence inject air into babies? Inject insulin? Cause liver trauma? No. What new evidence is it you're speaking of? Has it been put before a court? If not, then it isn't evidence, it's speculation

 

[LittleMy]

The trials (yes both of them) proved her guilt imo. There’s no more discussion to be had as to whether or not she’s guilty as everything that has come out since has been a load of rubbish. If some new substantial evidence came to light (and it would have to be pretty big considering how many babies she’s been convicted of killing and the different methods she used for each) then sure, I’ll be all ears. Unfortunately it’s the same tripe being repeated over and over again and frankly it’s boring. The majority here feel the same way, so perhaps it’s best to go argue the toss with likeminded folk elsewhere.

Personally I think the whole thing is a complete shitshow and a disgrace to the poor parents, who must feel like there will never be an end to this nightmare. Also to the witnesses, police, barristers, judge and jurors and anyone else involved in the whole case/investigation, who’ve spent so much of their time going over everything in detail.

 

[Tofino]

Just out of curiosity, what are you all going to do if she is found to be innocent of all charges against her based on new evidence? The medical negligence going on in the NHS is irrefutable, it’s no secret that the NHS is underfunded and the workers are overworked and pushed to their limits. I’ve linked below an article that describes almost exactly the same negligence as was shown in the LL case from a hospital in Shropshire, just an hour away from Chester. I personally have heard no end of stories about medical negligence and tbh just straight up misconduct from my local hospital. Hospitals are rife with it.

So many of you log on here every day to protest her guilt and type paragraphs and paragraphs detailing how disgusting she is and how much you hate her. I just hope that if she is found innocent you will continue to do what you’re doing, but instead be a voice for all of the mothers who have lost their children, for all the babies that have lost their lives, and a voice for all of the overworked and underpaid staff in hospitals that are in desperate need of help.

These types of cases evoke a lot of emotion, I get that but with new evidence coming to light, I cannot understand why very little of you are open minded to the fact. I think that if you were in her position and were imprisoned based on false, fictitious evidence you would like somebody fighting your corner.

link to article - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-60925959.amp

The closed mindedness comes from people that think because of other negligent issues in the NHS that this is the only explanation here. That the only explanation is a poor nurse has been made a scapegoat. The closed mindedness comes from people excusing her sinister behaviours and continue to call Letby an excellent nurse that can do no wrong.

It literally has zero relevance what happened at other hospitals, however awful that may be. It matters what happened to these particular babies. Where multiple experts inside and outside of the police investigation could not attribute poor care (or natural causes) to the deaths like they do at all those other hospitals you are thinking of.

Hope that helps!

 

[MavisBeacon]

Several voices have made this point in public, but I the biggest advantage Team BabyKiller have had is that Letby is a public figure - there are lots of photos they can use of her being a nice smiley pretty(ish) blonde nurse, and they can say what they like about her, wheel out "experts" for as many press conferences as they want etc etc.
The parents and babies - completely understandably! - have remained anonymous.
How different would it have been if there had been videos or photos on social media of vulnerable babies? If the parents had been able to sit on the BBC breakfast sofa and tearfully tell their story of how their baby was doing well, expected to get better and then suddenly died? If they had held a press conference clearly outlining what had happened to them? If a parent and their child, permanently disabled by Letby's actions, were the face of the families' campaign?
Of course it would have been a horrendous media circus, so I entirely support their individual and collective decisions, but I think it would have been harder for the creepy pro-Letby weirdos to proliferate their theories and publicity quite so much if the victims hadn't had to remain mostly an anonymous legal bloc.

 

[LittleMy]

I would love to know Ben Myers’ personal thoughts on all of this

 

[MmmB777]

Application is refused!!

Thoughts and prayers with Sarah Krapton and Tony Chambers

 

[SpendTooMuchTimeOnHere]

Is the public actually reacting? I am not sure they are.

They are reading the headlines from the press conference and saying that letby is innocent. Most of the stuff in the press conference has already been debunked. I wish people would look at all the evidence before sprouting nonsense like ‘I knew there was something off about this’ and ‘my gut was telling me that she was innocent from the start’

Who starts a new job by saying that they can’t wait for their first death to ‘get it out of the way’. That’s down right bizarre

 

[MmmB777]

An extract from the statement of Dr Smith, uploaded to the Thirlwall Inquiry website today......

I just came here to post the exact same section!
More strange discolouration on two non indictment babies. I feel so sure that sometimes she harmed babies that were actually very unwell and that they would have been much harder to bring to court.

 

[Tofino]

Ian Harvey and Stephen Cross would probably be my top two. They were the ones deliberately and directly withholding information from external agencies and advising others in the team.
Then Tony Chambers as he was the boss of them all so should have had more of a grip on the whole situation. I don’t think he can deflect responsibility on to just IH and SC.

Then Alison, then Sue. I’m not sure at the level Rees and Powell worked at they would be included, I think they were too far down the chain, but I hope they worry about it.

 

[followthedolphin]

I bit the bullet and listened to the Trial Plus episodes yesterday . Apologies if this is old news as it were - some of it I was unaware of. A few things stood out: They - Liz and Caroline seem to have apparently been told that the Gross Negligence Manslaughter investigation underway will NOT relate to the consultants at COCH . Not sure tbh how they can state that so boldly but guess they wouldn’t broadcast it unless they felt confident about it. They obvs said they could not say who is under investigation but I think we can have fair idea. In the same breath , they played some of Tony Chambers’ evidence at the Inquiry where he refused again and again to answer a straight question - he looked a complete a$$h0Le and they compared how he had received an incredibly damning report in the Facere Melius report into CoCH management ( pre Thirlwall and simultaneous with police investigations). If that man is sleeping at night, he really shouldn’t be. They also played some of Susan Gilbey’s evidence about her appalling treatment at the hands of management particularly TC and how she was bullied out of the Trust and that entire email threads which would have helped her cause just ‘disappeared’.

There was apparently huge support within that same parallel CoCH report by Facere Melius (??) for the paediatricians who had suspected deliberate harm by Letby. The person interviewed said paediatricians are a rare breed of often genuinely good souls- there’s not the same money in it as there’s rarely private work in paediatric medicine unlike other fields. I’m paraphrasing here and sorry I forget who she was I’d have to listen again ( and will)
Independently of - and prior to - the Thirlwall Inquiry that earlier report was apparently shared in full with the babies’ parents and their legal representatives. I’ve no doubt at all that further prosecutions will ensue - civil suits for damages as well as the impending criminal charges. They also interviewed another person who shared that the cost to the taxpayer of not listening to the doctors’ concerns and acting swiftly is conservative at £40 Million. Sorry again if this is repetition of earlier posts