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Great video. So glad the panel of expert's claims are being analysed against the court transcripts. Looking forward to baby F analysis as that one made no sense at all!
Has it been that long?
I would love love love to see this but for the parents sake I hope it is just booted from the CCRC as it should beIf it weren’t for the unnecessary distress it would cause the parents, I would love love love for the Tesco finest eminent little year 7 project to go up against BNE in a courtroomit would be
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When you remember all the court delays, it definitely feels longer sometimes
🫠Oh we will do us thank you. We understand the evidence and have watched it build day by day throughout the trial. We are used to people like you coming on, stirring the pot and then sodding off again. So bye....Well people can read and make up their own minds about who is a thicko I guess. And honestly I don’t think the combative responses are justified, but you know guys, you do you.
And baby O, that one was absolutely ridiculous. First it was poor Dr B stabbing the baby, then ut was non existent birth trauma! Hope he does that one too!
you could have engaged with replies if you wanted to. but instead you've chosen to reveal yourself as yet another bad actorWell people can read and make up their own minds about who is a thicko I guess. And honestly I don’t think the combative responses are justified, but you know guys, you do you.
This is covered at the end of today's private eye podcast. Tried to sound impartial but I kept getting more annoyed and I usually really like the podcast!
They are all the same. They all say they aren't sure whether she's innocent or guilty. Reality is they are all dumb headed truthers who are sucked in by that stupid press conference and the pretend experts with their fabricated diagnoses
Revealed in their very first post picking up on an error on CS2C video - out of everything to comment on.
Signed, sealed and delivered with ‘I have typed posts before and haven’t bothered to post as it’s basically always the same here, you all play the player not the ball.’
And they wonder why the responses are ‘combative’
I'm a long time subscriber and huge fan of the Eye (I briefly dated one of their writers, lol) but I just have to ignore when it comes to Letby. Phil Hammond can't see the wood for the trees on this one. I had to unfollow them on Facebook earlier as it kept shoving his nonsense into my feed.
Just out of curiosity, what are you all going to do if she is found to be innocent of all charges against her based on new evidence? The medical negligence going on in the NHS is irrefutable, it’s no secret that the NHS is underfunded and the workers are overworked and pushed to their limits. I’ve linked below an article that describes almost exactly the same negligence as was shown in the LL case from a hospital in Shropshire, just an hour away from Chester. I personally have heard no end of stories about medical negligence and tbh just straight up misconduct from my local hospital. Hospitals are rife with it.
So many of you log on here every day to protest her guilt and type paragraphs and paragraphs detailing how disgusting she is and how much you dislike her. I just hope that if she is found innocent you will continue to do what you’re doing, but instead be a voice for all of the mothers who have lost their children, for all the babies that have lost their lives, and a voice for all of the overworked and underpaid staff in hospitals that are in desperate need of help.
These types of cases evoke a lot of emotion, I get that but with new evidence coming to light, I cannot understand why very little of you are open minded to the fact. I think that if you were in her position and were imprisoned based on false, fictitious evidence you would like somebody fighting your corner.
link to article - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-60925959.amp
So many of you log on here every day to protest her guilt and type paragraphs and paragraphs detailing how disgusting she is and how much you dislike her. I just hope that if she is found innocent you will continue to do what you’re doing, but instead be a voice for all of the mothers who have lost their children, for all the babies that have lost their lives, and a voice for all of the overworked and underpaid staff in hospitals that are in desperate need of help.
These types of cases evoke a lot of emotion, I get that but with new evidence coming to light, I cannot understand why very little of you are open minded to the fact. I think that if you were in her position and were imprisoned based on false, fictitious evidence you would like somebody fighting your corner.
link to article - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-60925959.amp
I don't disagree with you on some of these points regarding the deep issues in the NHS, this is clear listening to the enquiry but also to anyone with a passing interest living in this country - but this evidence is not new. It was available throughout the years long investigation, and at two trials and an appeal. There will be reasons it was not taken forward at trial, presumably because it would have been shaky under cross examination or potentially could have further incriminated her if explored further. It was deemed unhelpful to her case by her professional defence.
Personally, I am not closed minded. I went back and forth with it for months, as I listened and read and discussed, forever asking myself what if she didn't do it. And when I first started following the trial I was skeptical of her guilt, but the more I learned and heard, the less I doubted it.
It just became irrefutable for me. And I'm sure my experience is not unique.
I'm not sure anyone would disagree there are serious issues across the NHS but this does not equate to Letby being innocent.
It's strange, that if these cases were all purely medically negligent, or as a result of misconduct (whose misconduct may I ask - everyone's, a select few, different staff on different days?) that all of her colleagues were only incompetent to the point of losing or almost losing their patients when she was around. And that they suddenly came to their senses and stopped being negligent when she was removed. What a huge coincidence, how unfortunate for Lucy.
*If* she is, I'll eat my words. But I can't say I'm too worried about that, I believe justice was done and the current noise is not only disingenuous but deeply disrespectful to the families at the heart of this who lost their precious babies.
There can be failings in care at a hospital while there is also someone taking advantage and harming the babies
There was a series of internal and external reviews prior to police involvement. The police also looked at all other possibilities where Letby was not a factor. The defence also brought up multiple instances of sub-obtimal care.
The fact is that none of this could explain the deaths. Staffing shortages could not be attributed to any of the deaths.
If it wasn't for the management using redacted reports to steer the pathologist towards natural cause explanations for the deaths, the police would have been involved sooner. There would have been a large number of babies deaths with no natural cause explanations.
We don't need to invent pretend scenarios where Letby isn't guilty because she is. This so called "new evidence" isn't new. Its the opinions of a bunch of experts, hand picked for the task of finding alternative explanations that exonerate Letby. They have an inherent bias. The sole reason this panel exists is because Mark McDonald told Dr Lee's that he would need to come up with extraordinary new explanations for each death to have any chance of appeal. They are doing it in an unprofessional manner and are also disregarding key evidence from the trial. The fact is they don't actually have any new evidence whatsoever.
And let's not pretend it's a bad thing to called Letby out for the murdering piece of tit that she is. Look across social media and the forums that have been active for the length of the trial are still hugely in the guilty minority. Websleuths, tattle, Reddit. There are over 13000 members on the main Reddit. I don't see anyone claiming Letby is innocent on there. Of course there is a little offshoot Letbytrials Reddit, but that has a few hundred members and only a dozen or so active posters. All holes and deluded bleeping weirdos if you ask me.
Maybe you should get better informed before you blindly start believing this "new evidence"
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The closed mindedness comes from people that think because of other negligent issues in the NHS that this is the only explanation here. That the only explanation is a poor nurse has been made a scapegoat. The closed mindedness comes from people excusing her sinister behaviours and continue to call Letby an excellent nurse that can do no wrong.
It literally has zero relevance what happened at other hospitals, however awful that may be. It matters what happened to these particular babies. Where multiple experts inside and outside of the police investigation could not attribute poor care (or natural causes) to the deaths like they do at all those other hospitals you are thinking of.
Hope that helps!
Just because medical negligence happens within the NHS, doesnt mean that we should automatically give Letby the benefit of the doubt and just give her a free pass to attack babies. Her defence robustly argued that sub optimal care could have caused their deaths but it didn't hold up to scrutiny in court.
There has been no new evidence to prove her innocence and the evidence that convicted her in its entirety was overwhelming. Unless anything major happens why would we be open to the fact that she didnt kill and attempt to kill multiple babies. Are you also open to the fact Beverly Allit is innocent? Their cases were very similar
If her application to the CCRC / court of appeals is rejected and she is charged with more attacks and murders will be accept her guilt?
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But I’ll reverse the question. What are you going to do if the CCRC or appeal court reject the new application? Or she’s charged with more incidents, maybe even at another hospital?
Are you going to keep coming online to defend a baby killer? Still think ‘scapegoat’? Or finally accept her own words. That she’s evil, she did this, and she did it on purpose?
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