Lucy Letby Case #79

[Tofino]

Last thread here

Lucy Letby Case #78

Last thread here https://tattle.life/threads/lucy-letby-case-77.47574/ --- Thirlwall Inquiry is still ongoing but oral evidence is expected to end in the next two weeks. The inquiry website is full of information including daily transcripts and evidence https://thirlwall.public-inquiry.uk/

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Oral evidence for the Thirlwall Inquiry has ended and in March the legal teams will deliver their closing statements with the final report due from Lady Thirlwall in the Autumn.

There is a significant amount of evidence and full transcripts available on the inquiry website

The Thirlwall Inquiry | Examining the events at the Countess of Chester Hospital and their implications following the trial, and subsequent convictions, of former neonatal nurse Lucy Letby of murder and attempted murder of babies at the hospital.

Examining the events at the Countess of Chester Hospital and their implications following the trial, and subsequent convictions, of former neonatal nurse Lucy Letby of murder and attempted murder of babies at the hospital.

thirlwall.public-inquiry.uk

Letby’s new defence have submitted a preliminary application to the CCRC and they claim the full report will be ready within the month.

Details here

Lucy Letby application received by Criminal Cases Review Commission - Criminal Cases Review Commission

The Criminal Cases Review Commission (CCRC) has received an application on behalf of Lucy Letby, the former nurse convicted of murdering seven babies and attempting to murder seven others.

ccrc.gov.uk

 

[Tofino]

@Apostate and @dorydaryl you both shared different links regarding Wes Streetings comments today. I thought I’d bring them over here as I think they may have got missed/lost amongst the back and forth discussion at the end of the last thread.

Lucy Letby campaign slammed by top Government minister in six damning words

Wes Streeting has issued Lucy Letby campaigners a stern warning after a panel of experts suggested the deaths in her care were the result of bad medical care and natural causes

www.mirror.co.uk

Campaigning to free Lucy Letby is not the right thing to do, says Wes…

archived 17 Feb 2025 11:18:02 UTC

archive.is

Asked if he had reconsidered his previous comments that speculation on the former nurse’s innocence was “crass and insensitive”, after an expert panel determined there was no medical evidence to support her conviction, he told LBC radio:

“It is still the case that Lucy Letby is convicted of the crimes she was accused of. I know there is a campaign being waged, including by her legal team, to protest her innocence, and including some of my parliamentary colleagues.

“What I would say to those campaigners and to anyone else who’s involved in the court of public opinion, as it were, is that there is a judicial process to follow.”

He said people who thought there had been an unsafe or wrong conviction should “consider those grieving parents who’ve lost their babies”, and pursue legal routes to have her case looked at again because it was “not a political campaign, it’s a legal process”.

He added: “I still think that waging a campaign in this way in the wake of these convictions is not the right thing to do.

“Until I’m told otherwise by the courts of this land, then I continue to stand by the view that there’s been a fair conviction here until the courts determine otherwise, that’s how justice in this country works.”

 

[dorydaryl]

Thanks, Tofino! Sounds like at least someone in Parliament is seeing through the bullshine.

 

[Refracton]

Please make me step away from the mumsnet thread. I can't though.

This is the latest.
Insulin

The test used to determine whether the high levels of insulin in the babies’ bodies was exogenous are not capable of determining the levels. This is a fact.

What fact? Eh how is it fact?

How can people spout sure rubbish but with conviction. I mean yes say your opinion but fact really.

 

[Tofino]

Thanks, Tofino! Sounds like at least someone in Parliament is seeing through the bullshine.

I like how he called out his ‘colleague’.

Letby has a legal route to take just like any other convicted criminal. I am not opposed to that at all because we need a way for actual miscarriages of justices to be uncovered and dealt with eg Andrew Malkinson. And of course CCRC has its faults which need addressing but the route is there.

The publicity stunts are harmful and upsetting to the families because they are not required. They don’t change the legal routes that are open to Letby. It’s performative and political but what does it achieve? The Double Jeopardy podcast said they would expect the CCRC to take this new panel evidence very seriously - well, I would actually expect them to take any application by anyone very seriously. Same for the CoA. Not just Letby.

If there are any fundamental issues with the justice system - eg I know expert witnesses is a current hot topic - that’s an entirely different campaign and debate and no amount of Letby press conferences is going to change any legal processes for that.

 

[dorydaryl]

Worth remembering, too, that some of the allegations against Letby were not proven in court (trial 1). Devastating for the families of the babies affected but a testament to the careful scrutiny of the jury.

 

[Tofino]

Worth remembering, too, that some of the allegations against Letby were not proven in court (trial 1). Devastating for the families of the babies affected but a testament to the careful scrutiny of the jury.

I’m glad Lady Thirlwall has still included them in the inquiry

 

[sebanna]

Please make me step away from the mumsnet thread. I can't though.

This is the latest.
Insulin

The test used to determine whether the high levels of insulin in the babies’ bodies was exogenous are not capable of determining the levels. This is a fact.

What fact? Eh how is it fact?

How can people spout sure rubbish but with conviction. I mean yes say your opinion but fact really.

Yeah they also said the defence couldn't challenge any of the medical evidence because Myers had applied to have Dr Evans's testiomy thrown out. Kitty by lighthouse was challenging posters to say why she was guilty, declaring that they would shoot us all down and we wouldn't win.

All the Letby threads are the same on mumsnet, posters start them looking for a debate/discussion and then the same few people hijack the thread. They used mumsnet to promote the " New Yorker" article last year.

 

[sebanna]

Worth remembering, too, that some of the allegations against Letby were not proven in court (trial 1). Devastating for the families of the babies affected but a testament to the careful scrutiny of the jury.

I do feel for the jury. They gave up ten months of their life and then carefully weighed up all the evidence. So to have to listen to the same evidence being repackaged to the public at the press conference must have been hard.

 

[dorydaryl]

I do feel for the jury. They gave up ten months of their life and then carefully weighed up all the evidence. So to have to listen to the same evidence being repackaged to the public at the press conference must have been hard.

I would imagine some of them are perhaps feeling very frustrated right now.

I’m glad Lady Thirlwall has still included them in the inquiry

...And I'd forgotten about that. Indeed!

 

[Tofino]

https://archive.ph/At84W

Today is a rather refreshing day for Letby articles!

 

[Hazara04]

I hope Lady Thirlwall balls Neena Modi and Karen Rees for their terrible conduct when they reconvene in March.

 

[Refracton]

https://www.archive.is/oldest/https...onvictions-experts-say?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

This is the fact apparently. Think they are mixing opinion and facts.

 

[Tofino]

I think he might have put this in the Spiked article too but I am enjoying it today as much as I did the first time

It is much easier to present a hypothesis at a press conference in a hotel in front of Peter Hitchens and Nadine Dorries than it is to be cross-examined in a court of law.

 

[Tofino]

https://www.archive.is/https://www....onvictions-experts-say?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

This is the fact apparently. Think they are mixing opinion and facts.

Oh not Geoff Chase the engineer again. That is absolutely his unchallenged opinion and NOT fact.

Ask them why he’s saying the babies didn’t have problems with their heart rates when the records as presented in court show they did.

 

[sebanna]

https://www.archive.is/https://www....onvictions-experts-say?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

This is the fact apparently. Think they are mixing opinion and facts.

One of the consultants said in the Thirlwall inquiry that low blood sugar is actually rare in preterm babies because all their glucose needs are met by the drip.
The article mainly summarises what was said at the press conference.
Dr Anna Milan also gave evidence at the Thirlwall inquiry and explained very well how insulin is made with C peptide but C peptide takes longer to clear. The wiki details how baby F's blood sugar crashes when Lucy hangs up the bag and how his heart rate spikes. This area of the trial in particular is scientific fact rather than opinion. I think the only way round the babies being poisoned is to say all three c peptide results were completely wrong.

 

[Apostate]

https://archive.ph/At84W

Today is a rather refreshing day for Letby articles!

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@Apostate and @dorydaryl you both shared different links regarding Wes Streetings comments today. I thought I’d bring them over here as I think they may have got missed/lost amongst the back and forth discussion at the end of the last thread.

Lucy Letby campaign slammed by top Government minister in six damning words

Wes Streeting has issued Lucy Letby campaigners a stern warning after a panel of experts suggested the deaths in her care were the result of bad medical care and natural causes

www.mirror.co.uk

Campaigning to free Lucy Letby is not the right thing to do, says Wes…

archived 17 Feb 2025 11:18:02 UTC

archive.is

Asked if he had reconsidered his previous comments that speculation on the former nurse’s innocence was “crass and insensitive”, after an expert panel determined there was no medical evidence to support her conviction, he told LBC radio:

“It is still the case that Lucy Letby is convicted of the crimes she was accused of. I know there is a campaign being waged, including by her legal team, to protest her innocence, and including some of my parliamentary colleagues.

“What I would say to those campaigners and to anyone else who’s involved in the court of public opinion, as it were, is that there is a judicial process to follow.”

He said people who thought there had been an unsafe or wrong conviction should “consider those grieving parents who’ve lost their babies”, and pursue legal routes to have her case looked at again because it was “not a political campaign, it’s a legal process”.

He added: “I still think that waging a campaign in this way in the wake of these convictions is not the right thing to do.

“Until I’m told otherwise by the courts of this land, then I continue to stand by the view that there’s been a fair conviction here until the courts determine otherwise, that’s how justice in this country works.”

also picked up by the BBC

Lucy Letby: Wes Streeting urges caution over campaign to clear nurse

The Health Secretary says he will believe Lucy Letby is guilty unless a court decides otherwise.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[O'lee]

Loads of witness statements have been uploaded to the Thirlwall Inquiry website. Dr Soni's and her police statements are worth a read.....

 

[Tofino]

Parents’ feelings being used to ‘shut up’ those seeking Lucy Letby re…

archived 17 Feb 2025 20:36:13 UTC

archive.is

Oh look at Crapton’s take…


Except the headline said this at first archive…

And now it says this…. Must have been a desperate rush to get a pro-Letby headline instead.

 

[Tofino]

Loads of witness statements have been uploaded to the Thirlwall Inquiry website. Dr Soni's and her police statements are worth a read.....

Woah…

ETA realise I was repeating the same!

One of the challenges will be if she did something like tamper with various stock bags in the fridge is being able to prove it was her especially if it was only one or two over a long period of time.