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kabukigirl

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Ref Alison Kelly - She’s the head of Safeguarding for the hospital yeh? Not the whole Trust - let’s imagine that the rest of the hospital was semi competent and just working away - what other potential safeguarding issues could take up so much of her time, that the sudden and unexpected deaths of a load of babies on the neonatal unit were not her top safeguarding concern - that she didn’t have time to read her emails or attend meetings with the people raising the concerns?

Just absolute bullshit from her. I think so far she’s been the worst one and that’s saying somat!
 
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Tofino

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When I read the transcripts and references to evidence it often blows my mind how they were able to collate everything and begin oral evidence within the space of a year.

They only publish evidence that is brought up in evidence and so far the lowest document number is INQ0000016 and the highest is INQ0108408. That suggests there is at least 108,408 documents in evidence. And each one may have multiple pages!!!

I wonder how big the inquiry legal team is to be co-ordinating all of this. Then the KCs able to pick out the relevant bits from it all that need questioning. I know it’s their job but it’s impressive to say the least.
 
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MmmB777

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Honestly all of this “didn’t read the email” “didn’t open the attachment” “didn’t have time to look at documents” from everyone is sickening. It’s not an email inviting them to a cake sale or bitching that the staff canteen hasn’t been cleaned. They’re emails about (at the time) a potential murderer working in the hospital. Attachments detailing evidence supporting the suspicions around the deaths of tiny babies. Didn’t have time? You make time for that. It should be your absolute priority. You should be sat at your screen waiting for that email to drop so you can go through those attachments asap.

These people deserve to rot alongside LL.
She actually has the audacity to say she was so busy that she couldn’t read an email about mortality of babies but that clinicians, actually treating small children, should have come to her office (where she would presumably be being busy but not reading email attachments of reviews she’d asked for) if they were that worried.
Similarly, when Brearey practically begs her and IH to meet with them, they don’t turn up. They do however both attend a ‘babygrow appeal’ fundraiser shortly before the meeting. So they were around. Alison can’t possibly explain why they didn’t go without looking at her diary apparently. She was probably really really busy with something more important than a baby murderer loose on the neonatal unit.
 
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Tofino

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I think she is going to keep repeating this phrase. She has done a few times already.

Good intentions towards who though, is the big question. Because it certainly wasn’t towards the babies!

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And even now… no mention of the babies within that balance of thinking.

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Safeguarding referral only done in March 2018?! Can’t wait to see this document!
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Hopefully we will hear more about how her parents were allowed to be so involved.
 
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jolt321

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I noticed one of the questions the Trust had to answer in her grievance determination was:

" I also wish to be informed of any evidence the Trust may have and the process they have followed"

Presumably so she could see where she had slipped up and what not to do next time she killed
Yep and she wanted assurances that if there was further deaths then she would not be blamed.
Can you imagine if she had actually returned to the unit. She would have free reign to do as she pleased, a licence to kill.
 
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sebanna

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It's like TC and IH thought they needed cast iron proof of foul play before they would act. They didn't. They just needed to remove Letby, let the police investigate and ignore her parents.

The death rate in that NNU was so off the charts high, that I'm surprised nobody stepped in and closed it.
 
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LittleMy

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They’re questioning her about other deaths and incidents during her career but sure, she’s gonna walk. 👍🏻
 
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starpaws

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TC ended up as interim CEO at the hospital I work in Cornwall from Aug 21 to Jan 22, where he earned £90k for 5 months work.

The local paper reported that his role would have been made substantive, had someone from COCH not called to speak to the non-exec director. I wonder who called?

One of the pieces of evidence from LL grievance report stated that they would facilitate her taking an MSc or the Advanced Neonatal Practitioner course on her return to the unit.

So she was essentially going to be rewarded for taking out that grievance, and helped to further her career!
 
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Cack_Conroe

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A belated update about Friday:

Ian Harvey faced much, much tougher questioning on Friday - so much so that the lady who knows and has suffered under him asked the tribunal clerk to pass on a message of appreciation to Rachel Langdale KC.

The longer time went on, the less able he was to keep his mask of humility on. He is, indeed, a total cunt. He basically went full Letby - not recalling anything, disputing and twisting the meanings of ordinary words, pretending to not understand questions, petulantly refusing to speak, and most of all, getting shitty when he thought he was being asked something he'd already answered. He was constantly saying "as I agreed yesterday, blah blah". It was similar energy to Letby's "we're going round in circles".

Also he stopped the effort at actually answering questions, and the KCs would have to keep going and going and going at different angles to get him to accept anything. When he did accept something, it would be with a caveat, instead of what the KC was actually asking him to agree to.

The KC for the hospital got very frustrated with Harvey's time wasting by the end. I also found it extremely tiring listening to him. At first, after the unabashed horror that was Tony Chambers, it was a relief to listen to IH - but that's because he was clearly putting in the effort in. In the end, I found IH almost as exhausting to endure, and actually kept having microsleeps and needing to fidget to stay awake (though this was also partially due to recovering from endo pain).

The twisting of words was like when he was arguing the toss that the sentence "reputation of the hospital" actually, to Harvey's mind, encompassed the care and safety of patients. Therefore, the safety of babies actually was considered a risk.

His petulant refusals to speak will be visible in the transcripts from when the KCs ask a long question or make a long statement, followed by another question, without another Q: being written.

He was massively stubborn and would not accept that the RCPCH's and Dr Jane Hawdon's reviews were not sufficient nor intended to discover criminal harm. He just kept saying that the prosecution experts found harm from looking as case notes, therefore these reviews ought to have, too (completely minimizing the level of investigation that was undertaken by the police). Nevermind that RCPCH outright told him they wouldn't be doing that, and Dr Hawdon told him she didn't have the time and would only give a superficial review. According to IH, case note reviews are case note reviews, and that's that. Also, Dr Hawdon, from her three-day study, did actually find four babies that needed further investigation - and IH still ignored it and continued to say no evidence of harm was found.

At the end, I was staring at IH (because he is a specimen in a zoo), and he stared at me right back. Unfortunately I broke my gaze first 😄 I should have kept staring and found a way to insult him, but I wasn't really thinking.

There was actually hardly anyone there in the public gallery on Friday. The ushers asked me to sit right in the corner to allow the rows to be filled up as it would get busy, but only a handful turned up.

Usually you have to book in and be approved at least two weeks in advance to be in the gallery, but Friday was an unplanned day due to Tony Chambers having wasted so much time monologuing. I had emailed a request to attend a few days before, on the off chance they would let me, which was when they told me it was actually first-come, first serve. I don't think many people actually knew they could go.

There were a couple of NGs there - Pat Chanse, the older lady who goes to Letby protests, and Carl Perkins, who has been mentioned previously. He has exactly the same personality as Damien Harry. There was an older man who recognised me from the retrial, but I didn't recognise him. I didn't ask, but assume he's NG on the basis that he is an older male.

Sorry this was a bit disjointed!
 
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AllieBee

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The Letbys are truly dreadful people. Controlling and narcissistic. They are unbelievable but I suspect John Letby ruled that house with a rod of iron and was just not willing to set Lucy free from his control. Hodkinson seems to have been fairly honest and taken the right steps though which is a real anomaly in that management.
 
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Hazara04

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Surely, if John Letby believed his daughter was innocent he would have trusted the process, especially as the managers were being so accomodating. Making threats are the actions of someone who knows exactly what she is capable of and is desperate to suppress it.
 
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Cack_Conroe

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Does anyone else think Tony Chambers was throwing Daddy Letby under the bus with the gun to my head threat thing? I think he’s exaggerating to play the victim. It’s not like John Letby is going to defend himself, and he wouldn’t be believed if he did.

Her parents should be made to answer questions at the inquiry to be honest.
 
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tay65

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Letbys 35 today. Wishing her another year filled with depression, anxiety, boredom and constantly looking over her shoulder. It's all you deserve hun; you're a full on, shit stain on humanity.

Here's to at least another 35 years of living hell on earth you absolute murdering bastard. 🥂
I wonder if her mum and dad have sent her a card saying today is your birthday but you are not here and we are so sorry for that.
 
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AllieBee

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We want something on record.

Who the fuck does S Letby think she is? She shouldn't have been allowed any input at all
 
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AccidentalAcademic

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He is representing her for free, to further his career and for publicity. Ben Myers probably had no choice and struggled to find expert witnesses to defend her. Now certain parts of the media are painting her as " Britain's next biggest miscarriage of justice " some professionals are trying to make a name for themselves on the back of Letby's heinous crimes.
Is he? Because in all these years Ben Myers never spoke to the press or did tv interviews or tagged journalists on Twitter who he didn’t agree with.
This. Ben Myers definitely won't have had the option of refusing to represent Letby. The Bar Standards Board has a handbook for barristers that explains how they're supposed to operate. They can't decline a case unless they're genuinely unavailable, or the rate they're being offered is unreasonably low. If they're not already busy and they're being paid fairly, they have to accept the work. Myers was presumably approached on Letby's behalf because he has so much experience as a defence barrister in serious high-profile cases, including cases where the chances of acquittal are slim to nonexistent. It's his profession, so he does the best he can with it. To Mark McDonald it seems more like a media opportunity than a job. I always think there's something quite seedy, disturbing even about lawyers who are so clearly chasing fame. If anything is going to hurt clients' interests, surely it's their lawyers rushing to be on TV every three seconds and rushing to give an opinion when there's no way they can have had time to even familiarise themselves with the basic facts.
 
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Ghostranch

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So Alison Kelly:

- Had the best intentions.
- Felt concerns about the rise in mortality didn't constitute a safeguarding issue.
- Felt she had no facts or evidence to base decisions on yet ignored evidence when it was sent to her.
- Felt she didn't need to mention what was going on to the CQC because it was too complex.
- Felt more concerned about Letby's welfare than what was happening to tiny, defenceless babies.

What an absolute POS. 🤬
 
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