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So during his daughter’s trial for murder and attempted murder of babies, John Letby is concerned about being called a “salesman” rather than an “area manager”….

I doubt his former work colleagues are laughing about an inaccuracy in a newspaper article.

The Letby family are unbelievable. No sympathy for them whatsoever
Interesting that both Lucy and her parents both had suzuki cars. Wonder if her dad took her to the garage to advise her on what car to buy.

Can you imagine if the prison gave Lucy Letby access to social media, so she could read everything written about her!
 
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Interesting that both Lucy and her parents both had suzuki cars. Wonder if her dad took her to the garage to advise her on what car to buy.
When you look at the first arrest video there is a Suzuki parked on the drive. We know that her Father was staying overnight at the time and so I wonder if this is the car??

Dr A offered to lend his car to her and so it makes me think she did not have a car when she lived in that house?!
 
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When you look at the first arrest video there is a Suzuki parked on the drive. We know that her Father was staying overnight at the time and so I wonder if this is the car??

Dr A offered to lend his car to her and so it makes me think she did not have a car when she lived in that house?!
There are pics of her spread eagled over that car that was in the driveway 🤢

Sure @Tofino can find them in the wiki!!
 
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I thought she had a suzuki splash, although I suppose it could have been her dad's car.
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Apparently the silver suzuki had an NHS permit so probably was Lucy's. She may well have a lying to Dr Noname about not having a car.
Sure I read Lucy's car was in for some repair work or something but don't quote me on that.
 
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Yes I remember - nothing has come up further about this … yet. I hope it never does to be honest.
 
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At the bottom of that DM article about her parents, the same poster is replying to every comment to protest her innocence. They seem so invested that it wouldn’t surprise me if it turned out to be one of her parents.
 
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At the bottom of that DM article about her parents, the same poster is replying to every comment to protest her innocence. They seem so invested that it wouldn’t surprise me if it turned out to be one of her parents.
Or Richard Gill. The poster replying to the comments says very similar things in each post.
 
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This is actual written evidence of the hospital deliberately withholding information about Letby from the coroner, isn’t it? And everyone that Stephen sent that email to knew about it.

I’m guessing they all say they can’t recall it though. Especially Alison Kelly who never reads any emails. Too busy doing stuff.

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Gosh the coroner mentioned this in his evidence on Friday. Never heard of this!! Barbara Salisbury.


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This is a great explanation as to why pathologists need to know everything. Not that it will stop the fan club from continuing to use the original PMs as their argument for doubt.

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Judith Moritz said Letby instructed a pathologist but they largely agreed with the prosecution
 
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The coroner doing baby's A inquest was clearly very frustrated by Stephen Cross's failure to provide relevant information.

The key piece of evidence for baby A and D, was the X Ray showing the air in the blood vessels. Without this there was no real cause of death. They were clutching at straws for sepsis for Child D as there was no clinical signs. The original post mortem didn't have the expert radiologist.
 
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Read too quick, whilst sat waiting for a child to go sleep - was like “as if bleeping Joe Swash is popping up in defence of her”
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I am coming close to muting him, it’s getting incredibly tedious - esp his obsession with the Deb lady and who she is 🥲
He’s obsessed with Deb Roberts because she dares to challenge him when he hasn’t done his homework. Ironic that he complains about his perceived principles of free speech then blocks and bullies when he’s challenged on facts and details on a SM platform..
It is also laughable that he complains about his (incorrectly) perceived view that he can’t write about Letby if there are more charges. Meanwhile the Police and CPS have to follow strict guidelines and laws to protect the justice process that he claims he is a defender of, yet these rules don't apply to him as a journo and he can "almost" write what the hell he wants unchallenged. Now he has stepped over the "almost" line and had a metaphorical clip round the ear, he's whining like a spoilt kid about his rights. For some reason thinks he’s a champion of the people and defender of the justice process. Ironically he has also been writing about how weak the Police are recently, yet here he is moaning they are being heavy handed with him.
He is full of double standards and you don’t have to read much of his work to see the repeated inconsistencies in his principles and views. He’s basically just spewing out as much content as possible for clicks behind his paywall. This pathetic high brow pretence that he doesn’t have a view on Letby's innocence but doesn’t think she had a fair trial is also BS. Ponder this. He is clearly flying some sort of anti establishment flag on this one. He is, paraphrasing his words, not fighting to prove Letby innocent but fighting for a re-trial because he believes she didn't reach the threshold for "beyond reasonable doubt". So, that means, under current British Law, NOT GUILTY. He is trying to disassociate a Not Guilty verdict with guilt or innocence. He is therefore in essence admitting that he is fighting to uphold the establishments definition of justice, not the moral definition of justice, ie criminals get caught, do the time etc. So he's fighting the establishment to uphold an establishment principle. He is also by default saying he doesn't really care whether Letby is guilty or innocent or care if the victims of the crimes get justice.
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.....whilst I'm venting there's another thing I need to get off my chest.....
Posts from various Letby supporters saying things like:
"If I were a parent Id just want the truth" ....or "If I were a parent Id be thinking X, Y, Z", or " the parents deserve the truth"

This demonstrates a total and utter lack of understanding and empathy about victims of crime in general going through the appeal courts. If a very complex CCRC review created a scenario where the Appeal courts heard cases and reasonable doubt were brought in any or all of the cases then why on earth do people think this would "answer questions" or bring "the truth"? What an utterly ludicrous and brainless conclusion to reach. The Trial and Thirlwall Inquiry has proved a number of things beyond reasonable doubt

- Almost nobody looking at the death and collapses was working with a full picture and almost every report had different outcomes
- Circumstances around deaths were manipulated to direct the reports away from harm
- Some collapses weren't investigated at all at the time
- Many were badly followed up
- Even after forensic review, no medical reasons could be proven in multiple cases, despite what Adams, Vinuesa, etc dream up as causes.

Any appeal for Letby would be based on creating a confused enough picture to create reasonable doubt. That is a million miles away from innocence. It might make her "not guilty". How on earth do these people think that the parents will react? They seem to think they will suddenly go "Well that's cleared that up. That poor girl who searched me on facebook was actually a wonderful nurse after all. We may be even more confused about how or why our babies died and we will never know now because the whole thing is an utter tit show but lets have Lucy and John and Susan round for tea and maybe get toxic Chris round and that Hitchens chap because they are the REAL victims in all this"

Im going for a lie down
 
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For Lucy to be completely innocent you would need either : for all the collapses to be natural or there to be a second murderer who only attacked when Lucy was there. Neither senerio is plausible. The C peptide evidence proves those babies were deliberately harmed, then you have the air seen in the blood vessels and babies with excess milk and air in their stomachs. The "other murderer" theory is ridiculous you would need someone psychotic enough to attack defenceless babies but with enough self control to stop for good when Letby was removed from the unit, plus Lucy would have kept bumping into them.
 
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She asked repeatedly if the police still had the nutritional bags in interview iirc she “ taunted “ them according to the prosecution, but still DE and SB had seen the lab tests and most importantly seen them independently.
She agreed herself someone was adding insulin just it wasn’t her.
They all need to get in the bin.
 
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He’s obsessed with Deb Roberts because she dares to challenge him when he hasn’t done his homework. Ironic that he complains about his perceived principles of free speech then blocks and bullies when he’s challenged on facts and details on a SM platform..
It is also laughable that he complains about his (incorrectly) perceived view that he can’t write about Letby if there are more charges. Meanwhile the Police and CPS have to follow strict guidelines and laws to protect the justice process that he claims he is a defender of, yet these rules don't apply to him as a journo and he can "almost" write what the hell he wants unchallenged. Now he has stepped over the "almost" line and had a metaphorical clip round the ear, he's whining like a spoilt kid about his rights. For some reason thinks he’s a champion of the people and defender of the justice process. Ironically he has also been writing about how weak the Police are recently, yet here he is moaning they are being heavy handed with him.
He is full of double standards and you don’t have to read much of his work to see the repeated inconsistencies in his principles and views. He’s basically just spewing out as much content as possible for clicks behind his paywall. This pathetic high brow pretence that he doesn’t have a view on Letby's innocence but doesn’t think she had a fair trial is also BS. Ponder this. He is clearly flying some sort of anti establishment flag on this one. He is, paraphrasing his words, not fighting to prove Letby innocent but fighting for a re-trial because he believes she didn't reach the threshold for "beyond reasonable doubt". So, that means, under current British Law, NOT GUILTY. He is trying to disassociate a Not Guilty verdict with guilt or innocence. He is therefore in essence admitting that he is fighting to uphold the establishments definition of justice, not the moral definition of justice, ie criminals get caught, do the time etc. So he's fighting the establishment to uphold an establishment principle. He is also by default saying he doesn't really care whether Letby is guilty or innocent or care if the victims of the crimes get justice.
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.....whilst I'm venting there's another thing I need to get off my chest.....
Posts from various Letby supporters saying things like:
"If I were a parent Id just want the truth" ....or "If I were a parent Id be thinking X, Y, Z", or " the parents deserve the truth"

This demonstrates a total and utter lack of understanding and empathy about victims of crime in general going through the appeal courts. If a very complex CCRC review created a scenario where the Appeal courts heard cases and reasonable doubt were brought in any or all of the cases then why on earth do people think this would "answer questions" or bring "the truth"? What an utterly ludicrous and brainless conclusion to reach. The Trial and Thirlwall Inquiry has proved a number of things beyond reasonable doubt

- Almost nobody looking at the death and collapses was working with a full picture and almost every report had different outcomes
- Circumstances around deaths were manipulated to direct the reports away from harm
- Some collapses weren't investigated at all at the time
- Many were badly followed up
- Even after forensic review, no medical reasons could be proven in multiple cases, despite what Adams, Vinuesa, etc dream up as causes.

Any appeal for Letby would be based on creating a confused enough picture to create reasonable doubt. That is a million miles away from innocence. It might make her "not guilty". How on earth do these people think that the parents will react? They seem to think they will suddenly go "Well that's cleared that up. That poor girl who searched me on facebook was actually a wonderful nurse after all. We may be even more confused about how or why our babies died and we will never know now because the whole thing is an utter tit show but lets have Lucy and John and Susan round for tea and maybe get toxic Chris round and that Hitchens chap because they are the REAL victims in all this"

Im going for a lie down
Any appeal for Letby would be based on creating a confused enough picture to create reasonable doubt. That is a million miles away from innocence.



This is exactly what they hope to achieve. There is no way on earth Letby could ever be cleared because there is so much evidence against her. Their only hope is to confuse with further experts casting doubt on the collapses and testing done. Where would that leave everything?

There is no overarching theory as to Letbys innocence. Was COC that bad? Were the drs bad at their jobs? Was it a big cover up, was it pathogens? Poo leaking everywhere?

Literally none of the reasons hold up to any sort of scrutiny whatsoever.
 
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