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Some real holes getting involved in this and evidently from all over the political stratosphere. Lover of law and order Peter Hitchens, going to bat for a serial killer. Lover of social justice Owen Jones, going to bat for a serial killer.
We’ve lived in a society that’s been so politically divided for so many years and who would’ve thought it would be Lucy bleeping Letby to be the one to unite them.
Of course the truth is that the one thing that unites them is a desire for clicks’n’cash at any cost, even if it causes further pain for the parents who lost their little ones in the most appalling way imaginable. All of these people, all of these media outlets, should be utterly ashamed of themselves. But what’s shame where there’s money to be made.
Hell ain’t hot enough for any of them.
We’ve lived in a society that’s been so politically divided for so many years and who would’ve thought it would be Lucy bleeping Letby to be the one to unite them.
Of course the truth is that the one thing that unites them is a desire for clicks’n’cash at any cost, even if it causes further pain for the parents who lost their little ones in the most appalling way imaginable. All of these people, all of these media outlets, should be utterly ashamed of themselves. But what’s shame where there’s money to be made.
Hell ain’t hot enough for any of them.
That article says Letby was one of two "fully qualified neonatal nurses" and that she "was the most qualified nurse" on the unit. Is this true? Doesn't sound right to me.
Love how Dorries has pointed out that the judge described Letby as hardworking, professional, confident etc, conveniently missing out that he said OUTWARDLY she was these things.
Love how Dorries has pointed out that the judge described Letby as hardworking, professional, confident etc, conveniently missing out that he said OUTWARDLY she was these things.
Nadine Dorries is a bleeping moron. It's exactly the same rhetoric as many of the idiots on social media. I see she's gone down the route of "everyone thought she was innocent"
So duck.
I'm not surprised either because at the time the thought that your colleague is one of the worst serial killers ever is pretty staggering. Why doesn't Nadine Dorries pop back to coc and ask what they think now.
A Lot of these articles are coming out of the mail aswell. They obviously did the podcast etc and were pretty pro-guily imo. I mean Liz Hull was there every day. Why doesn't Nadine Dorries have a listen to the podcast or pop and have a chat with Liz Hull. Wonder how much shes getting paid for this article.
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I don't know how it could be? Letby was a band 5. She also had many nurse colleagues. She only qualified to work with intensive care babies weeks before the first death didn't she? She took the course on administering meds via a bolus, around 2 weeks before baby A died.
So duck.
I'm not surprised either because at the time the thought that your colleague is one of the worst serial killers ever is pretty staggering. Why doesn't Nadine Dorries pop back to coc and ask what they think now.
A Lot of these articles are coming out of the mail aswell. They obviously did the podcast etc and were pretty pro-guily imo. I mean Liz Hull was there every day. Why doesn't Nadine Dorries have a listen to the podcast or pop and have a chat with Liz Hull. Wonder how much shes getting paid for this article.
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That article says Letby was one of two "fully qualified neonatal nurses" and that she "was the most qualified nurse" on the unit. Is this true? Doesn't sound right to me.
Love how Dorries has pointed out that the judge described Letby as hardworking, professional, confident etc, conveniently missing out that he said OUTWARDLY she was these things.
I don't know how it could be? Letby was a band 5. She also had many nurse colleagues. She only qualified to work with intensive care babies weeks before the first death didn't she? She took the course on administering meds via a bolus, around 2 weeks before baby A died.
I don't see how. She was a band 5, they would have had band 6s and 7s who were more experienced than Letby.That article says Letby was one of two "fully qualified neonatal nurses" and that she "was the most qualified nurse" on the unit. Is this true? Doesn't sound right to me.
Love how Dorries has pointed out that the judge described Letby as hardworking, professional, confident etc, conveniently missing out that he said OUTWARDLY she was these things.
I also find the comments about injecting the air “without being noticed” and “would this really be a serial killers preferred method” frustrating because when you apply logic it falls apart, method: absolutely yes, when looking at health care serial killers it might well be. People hear “serial killer” and think of a “bloody crime scene” or scenes of outwardly obvious violence. When healthcare serial killers don’t conform to that.
Going unnoticed: Often their methods are silent, disguised as genuine medical treatment so go unnoticed/unquestioned…which is how they manage to go undetected for long periods of time.
If I was in that hospital and walked in on LL injecting into a line, I wouldn’t question it - she is a nurse and I am not. Likewise, it probably wasn’t questioned much by her colleagues until they started to think the unthinkable. And I also imagine they initially thought it was bad nursing before they reached the conclusion she was doing it on purpose because how horrendous is it that someone (even outside a nursing profession) could do such a thing.
Going unnoticed: Often their methods are silent, disguised as genuine medical treatment so go unnoticed/unquestioned…which is how they manage to go undetected for long periods of time.
If I was in that hospital and walked in on LL injecting into a line, I wouldn’t question it - she is a nurse and I am not. Likewise, it probably wasn’t questioned much by her colleagues until they started to think the unthinkable. And I also imagine they initially thought it was bad nursing before they reached the conclusion she was doing it on purpose because how horrendous is it that someone (even outside a nursing profession) could do such a thing.
If Mad Nad is involved you just know it's all wrong...
Thank you. No mention of 257 handover sheets moving from house to house, or her FB searches, or insulation poisonings, or texting when she should have been caring for babies.
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Sorry "insulin" and no mention of gaslighting her colleagues with ideas relating to the babies problems or altering records to distance herself from events.
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No mention not just of incorrect notes but that each time it’s to remove her from the care of babies that have rapid medical issues directly after that would relate to the care she just gave. Not just falsifying times but also her handwriting but initialing it as somebody else on at least one occasion.
Even Letby announcing over the hospital PA system that she has just tampered with an ET tube and injected a couple of bags with insulin wouldn’t be enough for these people.
Why are these random people being given a platform to write these articles. Just because they have a 
feeling that LL couldn’t have done it. Picking and choosing what evidence or theory they want. I’m so angry for the families and also the work of all involved to bring her to justice.
feeling that LL couldn’t have done it. Picking and choosing what evidence or theory they want. I’m so angry for the families and also the work of all involved to bring her to justice.Richard Gill claims that "“There were more deaths that happened when she wasn’t there. […] What you should do is compare the rates of deaths.”
www.telegraph.co.uk
but while she was in it's employ wasn't letby on duty for all the deaths that occurred on the ward?
there seems to be some confusion over this
How internet sleuths are already trying to prove Lucy Letby innocent
As the former nurse begins her whole life sentence, a campaign to help her appeal her conviction has sparked outrage
but while she was in it's employ wasn't letby on duty for all the deaths that occurred on the ward?
there seems to be some confusion over this
Exactly right. A nurse at the bedside holding a syringe and needle or being in close proximity to a patient’s ET tube is the norm in a hospital setting, even if it did take her a minute or two to carry out her acts of sabotage. It’s not like she was striding around dragging an axe behind her and no one noticed.
And it was well-documented that they had staff shortages, which would mean that the nursing staff would be focusing on their own patients, while occasionally coming together to check drugs and drips etc. We’re not talking about the Handmaid’s Tale here with them all going round in pairs. Less staff and no ward rounds on the night shift equaled more opportunity.
Hub and I are ex nurses, 4 other family members either active or retired nurses and doctors and we all think she’s guilty.
This thread feels like a sanctuary after reading all the latest NG crap and I hope Parliament treats it with the contempt it deserves
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Sorry, just read your post after posting something similar. I completely agree with you.
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We had this discussion at the time of the original trial. The other deaths on the unit which she may/may not have been present for were not those covered in the indictment therefore were not (as far as reporting was concerned) covered in the trial.Richard Gill claims that "“There were more deaths that happened when she wasn’t there. […] What you should do is compare the rates of deaths.”
How internet sleuths are already trying to prove Lucy Letby innocent
As the former nurse begins her whole life sentence, a campaign to help her appeal her conviction has sparked outrage
but while she was in it's employ wasn't letby on duty for all the deaths that occurred on the ward?
there seems to be some confusion over this
this was likely because these deaths had a medical explanation as sadly, yes there can be complications with premature babies which sadly can result in death. For example, if one of these babies entered into cardiac arrest straight after birth which was deemed as a direct consequence to being born early, of course letby wasn’t responsible for that whether she was there or not.
The defence will have had access to ALL the deaths on the unit and will have had the opportunity to bring those up, should they have offered any assistance to her defence. If they did bring them up and they were all medically explainable (which is what I can gather that they are, unlike those in the indictment) then all prosecution had to do was to state that - then that evidence has no baring on letby’s case.
The fact that the entire trial was NOT based on statistics is exactly why the argument to include all the deaths on the unit is a stupid one. The only “statistics” they used was the chart to show she was the only nurse there for all of the MEDICALLY UNEXPLANABLE deaths/events
so we don't know how many baby deaths there were on the unit when letby was not there?
She might have been there for all we know. The chart only covered the babies in the trial. Those babies that were investigated because their deaths couldn't be explained. The other babies may well have had medically explainable deaths, or just not enough evidence to point a finger at Letby. No one cam categorically say she wasn't there as those babies weren't included in the trial.
I don’t off the top of my head know but there is that information available as to how many deaths there were on the unit during the time she was working there. It’s in one of the hospital reports - any OG members please feel free to assist.
unsure if that report breaks down which nurses were there and which weren’t so it’s possible we are only aware of a number (I want to say 3 but I could be making this up) but not whether she was there/not there
edit - I think we also had the discussion at the time of how they report these figures so that even if a baby was born at Chester but didn’t get care there and died at home, they’d be reported as a death for Chester. Something like that.
again I’ll repeat the question, if the only evidence in the entire trial was “she was the only one there” and there were questionable deaths which she wasn’t there for, why wouldn’t the defence bring that to the table as that to me is a “smoking gun” for reasonable doubt. But they didn’t. Yet they would have 100% have access to the information you’re asking about
Didn’t 
Karen Rees say she was there for every single one? And maybe Gibbs too? ETA maybe I mean Powell?
Do the thickos ever correlate Letby not being seen with the fact it was usually the designated nurses break or not long after parents had just left? Give me strength.
Karen Rees say she was there for every single one? And maybe Gibbs too? ETA maybe I mean Powell?Do the thickos ever correlate Letby not being seen with the fact it was usually the designated nurses break or not long after parents had just left? Give me strength.
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The children are doing some crafting so thought I’d join in too..
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