Lucy Letby Case #72

[tay65]

My critique of that godawful Guardian article.....

• Scrawled notes” were barely mentioned during the trial itself
• “There was no forensic evidence to prove her guilt and no one saw Letby – who continues to maintain her innocence – causing harm” …. What forensic evidence would the author wish to see ? DNA and fingerprints would be of no relevance whatsoever, given that the defendant works at the crime scene. The fact that Letby wasn’t seen harming a child is neither here nor there, a serial killer would be apprehended quickly if someone saw them harming someone.
• Experts who are in the main anonymous and apart from Dr Hall, weren’t present in court and haven’t viewed any of the medical/clinical records for any of the babies. How can they express a credible professional opinion on the evidence given by Drs Evans and Bohin, let alone report them to the GMC for it, when they haven’t had access to this material?
• RCPCH: The RCPCH review was a “service level review” of the unit, not an investigation into causes of the deaths/collapses per se. It didn’t have access to the medical/clinical records of the babies & recommended an external, independent review of each unexpected neonatal death.
• Lack of apparent motive/psychological background: irrelevant- prosecution are not required to provide a motive
• Consultants didn’t go to the Cheshire Police, the hospital management (eventually) did via a letter/letters to the then Chief Constable.
• Richard Gill: A man who has in the recent past suggested that Beverley Allitt might be innocent, that many of the crimes of Harold Shipman were acts of euthanasia, that Dr John Gibbs (a consultant at the Countess) had been seen euthanising babies by Lucy Letby and who, while the first trial was ongoing, joked on social media about wanting to go into Manchester Crown Court with an AK47.
• Jane Hawdon: Told Ian Harvey she didn’t have time to complete a proper review of the deaths, recommended that four of them were forensically investigated
• Review after Jane Hawdon recommended a forensic review of four deaths- “different conclusions” to those reached by Evans- wouldn’t these have been available to Letby’s legal team and mentioned in court by Mr Myers if they were of benefit to her defence?
• Postmortems: The deaths of Beverley Allitt’s victims were also initially listed as natural causes after postmortems.

• Statistics: In her final twelve months working as a nurse, Lucy Letby was present for *all* of the 13 deaths on the NNU. If this was a case of scapegoating Letby as this article is clearly trying to suggest, then why was she not charged with more than the 7 which she was charged and subsequently convicted. In addition, Letby was acquitted of two counts of attempted murder charges that were on the chart and no verdicts were returned on several others.
• The only statistical element of the case was the chart that showed she was the only staff member present, exactly as was presented in the Allitt case.
• Dr Michael Hall: Stated in an article by the New Yorker magazine that he did not know what had caused the deaths/collapses. Why wasn’t this mentioned in the Guardian article?

This is a very good analysis but those idiots will still be blinkered to the truth. BM tried very hard defending her and during the Appeals. He would have brought Dr Hall as an expert witness if there was the slightest chance it would have helped her case.

 

[oldjamfan]

My critique of that godawful Guardian article.....

• Scrawled notes” were barely mentioned during the trial itself
• “There was no forensic evidence to prove her guilt and no one saw Letby – who continues to maintain her innocence – causing harm” …. What forensic evidence would the author wish to see ? DNA and fingerprints would be of no relevance whatsoever, given that the defendant works at the crime scene. The fact that Letby wasn’t seen harming a child is neither here nor there, a serial killer would be apprehended quickly if someone saw them harming someone.
• Experts who are in the main anonymous and apart from Dr Hall, weren’t present in court and haven’t viewed any of the medical/clinical records for any of the babies. How can they express a credible professional opinion on the evidence given by Drs Evans and Bohin, let alone report them to the GMC for it, when they haven’t had access to this material?
• RCPCH: The RCPCH review was a “service level review” of the unit, not an investigation into causes of the deaths/collapses per se. It didn’t have access to the medical/clinical records of the babies & recommended an external, independent review of each unexpected neonatal death.
• Lack of apparent motive/psychological background: irrelevant- prosecution are not required to provide a motive
• Consultants didn’t go to the Cheshire Police, the hospital management (eventually) did via a letter/letters to the then Chief Constable.
• Richard Gill: A man who has in the recent past suggested that Beverley Allitt might be innocent, that many of the crimes of Harold Shipman were acts of euthanasia, that Dr John Gibbs (a consultant at the Countess) had been seen euthanising babies by Lucy Letby and who, while the first trial was ongoing, joked on social media about wanting to go into Manchester Crown Court with an AK47.
• Jane Hawdon: Told Ian Harvey she didn’t have time to complete a proper review of the deaths, recommended that four of them were forensically investigated
• Review after Jane Hawdon recommended a forensic review of four deaths- “different conclusions” to those reached by Evans- wouldn’t these have been available to Letby’s legal team and mentioned in court by Mr Myers if they were of benefit to her defence?
• Postmortems: The deaths of Beverley Allitt’s victims were also initially listed as natural causes after postmortems.

• Statistics: In her final twelve months working as a nurse, Lucy Letby was present for *all* of the 13 deaths on the NNU. If this was a case of scapegoating Letby as this article is clearly trying to suggest, then why was she not charged with more than the 7 which she was charged and subsequently convicted. In addition, Letby was acquitted of two counts of attempted murder charges that were on the chart and no verdicts were returned on several others.
• The only statistical element of the case was the chart that showed she was the only staff member present, exactly as was presented in the Allitt case.
• Dr Michael Hall: Stated in an article by the New Yorker magazine that he did not know what had caused the deaths/collapses. Why wasn’t this mentioned in the Guardian article?

Take a bow my mate

 

[O'lee]

Take a bow my mate

Cheers mate, I did most of it (and the other post I did listing the bits of the prosecution case that were left out by the Guardian) earlier this week when I was really rough with Covid

 

[lotusbiscoff]

Thx for the mention beige guys. We all leave sparkles and fairy dust everywhere we go

 

[oldjamfan]

Cheers mate, I did most of it (and the other post I did listing the bits of the prosecution case that were left out by the Guardian) earlier this week when I was really rough with Covid

Hope you’re feeling better now pal. Just in time for the start of the season

 

[terfette]

hahaha ‘there has been daily contributions from Tofino who is nowhere to be seen’

it’s nice to be missed!!

actually we’ve mostly gone quiet because we can rest easy now baby K finally has justice, Lucy has collected her 15th WLO and her appeal process has reached a dead end

What else is there to say for now? I’ll have plenty to say when the inquiry starts no doubt. In the meantime I’m enjoying my life and my freedom, sweet in the knowledge Letby can’t do the same.

Exactly, I read the comments I've screenshotted to my fella, and he started with the exact same words as you "What else is there to say for now?" And then said "does he expect you all to just keep repeating what you've all been saying from the start?". I should also point out, that my fella is fully against tattle, and refers to it as "tittle tattle" so for him to be on our side without taking the piss out of us says something.

 

[Apostate]

This is a very good analysis but those idiots will still be blinkered to the truth. BM tried very hard defending her and during the Appeals. He would have brought Dr Hall as an expert witness if there was the slightest chance it would have helped her case.

• Richard Gill: A man who has in the recent past suggested that Beverley Allitt might be innocent, that many of the crimes of Harold Shipman were acts of euthanasia, that Dr John Gibbs (a consultant at the Countess) had been seen euthanising babies by Lucy Letby and who, while the first trial was ongoing, joked on social media about wanting to go into Manchester Crown Court with an AK47.

Gill also has form with Ben Geen the Horton Hospital killer. Geen is still in prison and never getting out.

 

[Tofino]

Hi

Just thought I’d better check in today for Chris

I’m busy doing some DIY in my bathroom so can’t post as much. Still think Letby is a serial killer of tiny, defenceless babies and still not shaking about the latest conspiracy articles. Still thrilled she is the record holder for collecting the most WLOs.

have a tit good day!
Bye!

 

[tay65]

Just noticed The Mirror running a Letby story today again with emphasis on the NG brigade. The pictures of Letby are the nice ones.

 

[Apostate]

Just noticed The Mirror running a Letby story today again with emphasis on the NG brigade. The pictures of Letby are the nice ones.

"She was in the wrong place at the wrong time".

Twenty times in fact - what rotten luck!

 

[IGiveUp22]

"She was in the wrong place at the wrong time".

Twenty times in fact - what rotten luck!

This annoys me, because even if you pretend for 1 second they’re on to something, she was still clearly a diabolical nurse committing substandard medical care since she was THE ONLY ONE present for ALL deaths…

 

[MmmB777]

This annoys me, because even if you pretend for 1 second they’re on to something, she was still clearly a diabolical nurse committing substandard medical care since she was THE ONLY ONE present for ALL deaths…

Raising no alarms and of no concern to her at all! Even when she accepts in her texts the deaths were unexpected and sudden. Just one of those things and “luck of the draw” for her remember ‍

 

[sebanna]

With these medical crimes you know you've got the right person when the attacks stop. With the Stepping Hill poisonings they had the wrong nurse, the actual killer would have got away with it if they had just stopped, but they can't.

 

[jolt321]

With these medical crimes you know you've got the right person when the attacks stop. With the Stepping Hill poisonings they had the wrong nurse, the actual killer would have got away with it if they had just stopped, but they can't.

The NG just say this is because the hospital was downgraded at the same time.

So then I just tell them

A large majority of the babies in these charges would still have been cared for at the COC hospital once it was downgraded

There are 8 babies in the charges that were born at at least 32 week gestation. These are:

D H L M N O P J

9 if you include child G, who was born at 23 weeks and arrived at COC at 34 weeks

Child D was term.

Others such as baby Q were 31 week +3 days. So pretty much all of the last 6 babies in the charges, if you include Q (32 W+3)

As Dr Breary testified, once LL left, it was exactly the same staff doing exactly the same job as before, with no more unexpected collapses and deaths.


They usually change the subject at this point.

 

[Galinda]

Hi Chris, I read this post every day but I'm more of a lurker, I leave the commenting to those far more educated and articulate than I, I assume there are others like me too. I 100% believe she's guilty and did every evil cruel psychopathic attack she's convicted of and more. Hope that helps Chris 🫶

 

[VielleFemme]

Owen Jones doesn’t even know what a woman is. He’s hardly going to understand ten months of complex evidence.

Honestly they are not worth the headspace.

This is Owen Jones who watched Hamas’s own footage of October 7th and then made a video of himself SMIRKING and saying, "well, you didn't actually see the r@pes taking place."

He is the rum of the earth. A sickening racist and misogynist.

 

[Hazara04]

He isca vile man.

I also notice Owen Jones is charging up to £100.00 a month to be a patroen. The absolute grifter.

 

[Apostate]

Hi Chris, I read this post every day but I'm more of a lurker, I leave the commenting to those far more educated and articulate than I, I assume there are others like me too. I 100% believe she's guilty and did every evil cruel psychopathic attack she's convicted of and more. Hope that helps Chris 🫶

noone sensible questions the verdict. every time someone pops out of the woodwork to support her it's always a crank. she's never getting out.

 

[Tomi2015]

Hopefully they’re all going to get tired of it when they realise the vile witch is not going anywhere unless it’s in a box. They should all go back to their flat earth and 9/11 conspiracy groups then

 

[musiclover90]

The NG just say this is because the hospital was downgraded at the same time.

So then I just tell them

A large majority of the babies in these charges would still have been cared for at the COC hospital once it was downgraded

There are 8 babies in the charges that were born at at least 32 week gestation. These are:

D H L M N O P J

9 if you include child G, who was born at 23 weeks and arrived at COC at 34 weeks

Child D was term.

Others such as baby Q were 31 week +3 days. So pretty much all of the last 6 babies in the charges, if you include Q (32 W+3)

As Dr Breary testified, once LL left, it was exactly the same staff doing exactly the same job as before, with no more unexpected collapses and deaths.


They usually change the subject at this point.

Someone said they added two new consultants after the downgrade as well? But I'd never heard that before, sounds like BS. There has been only one death in seven years since she left, ONE! Why can't some people see the blooming obvious?!