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Trying to find where Breary says she was there for every death but came across this

“This all became very exceptional and it took a step back to think about it. The nature of these collapses, the unexpected nature of them, the lack of response to resuscitation, the unusual rash noted on a number of occasions and each time the association with Nurse Letby.”

The lack of normal response to resuscitation is such an important factor too, one we don’t bring up as often and of course the weirdos never do. It’s so significant. And also of course the times that babies would not respond to resuscitation and be so close to death but then would recover enough to be hungry not long after. To have no pervasive condition that lead them to have 20 minute long cardiac arrests. None of that is medically explicable. Babies that were literally ready to go home that day, having no viable heartbeat for 6 whole minutes as soon as letby has been there. The idea that these incidents can be pure chance alongside the chance of baby N with awful blood and swelling in their throat, babies like baby I who fought so hard to survive and picked up and recovered just to be at deaths door every time Letby was near. Babies like baby E screaming and bleeding. The falsifying so that she distanced herself from the access she’d just had to a baby suddenly at deaths door. The poison. The car crash injuries to the same organ of two almost full term babies that would both collapse every time letby was alone with them. Who had incredible flashing skin rashes that so many other babies suffered suddenly at the same time as their instant collapses. To think that is all chance you would have to be an utter idiot.
I honestly think these people don’t even believe their own lies. They want some strange pathetic group to belong to. They want a cause for their empty little lives and they’ve picked fighting the case for one of the most evil killers in the world. bleeps.
 
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Thank you! I knew a consultant had said it on the stand and I’m sure it was quite a significant moment. Hoping queen @Tofino might be along soon and show us exactly when it happened.
There was a bit of Dr B’s evidence that Myers objected to wasn’t there, was that when he said there’d been more suspicions outside the indictment period 🤔 My memory is shocking!
I always felt like the why does this keep happening to you texts started very very soon into the case and so I’m sure she was doing other stuff before her course gave her the idea of injecting air.
It was most likely when he was giving evidence towards the end for babies O and P. He doesn’t directly say numbers in the wiki version but maybe it was reported differently in another article somewhere. Most likely daily Mail version!

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Richard Gill is trying pin it on Dr Gibbs now!

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So all the b papers reporting for their “prominent statistician” really haven’t done their due diligence have they because this guy is literally the lowest of the low. It proves beyond doubt that he is just an obsessed psycho that wants her to be innocent at all cost and will sling tit and hope it sticks on anything. It’s so outrageous that Letby could have killed but not Dr Gibbs. They are vile beyond measure. I’ve said it before (he’s made this accusation of Dr G before) but if I was Gibbs family I would look at absolutely destroying him - legally.
 
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So all the b papers reporting for their “prominent statistician” really haven’t done their due diligence have they because this guy is literally the lowest of the low. It proves beyond doubt that he is just an obsessed psycho that wants her to be innocent at all cost and will sling tit and hope it sticks on anything. It’s so outrageous that Letby could have killed but not Dr Gibbs. They are vile beyond measure. I’ve said it before (he’s made this accusation of Dr G before) but if I was Gibbs family I would look at absolutely destroying him - legally.
I have checked his timeline and he made explict accusions against Dr Gibbs on numerous occasionions. I hope he does take legal action against him.
 
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So all the b papers reporting for their “prominent statistician” really haven’t done their due diligence have they because this guy is literally the lowest of the low. It proves beyond doubt that he is just an obsessed psycho that wants her to be innocent at all cost and will sling tit and hope it sticks on anything. It’s so outrageous that Letby could have killed but not Dr Gibbs. They are vile beyond measure. I’ve said it before (he’s made this accusation of Dr G before) but if I was Gibbs family I would look at absolutely destroying him - legally.
This bleep has said multiple times in the last year that either Dr Gibbs or Dr Brearey were euthanising babies at COC. He's a twisted freak and he's utterly deranged.
 
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so we don't know how many baby deaths there were on the unit when letby was not there?
How do you know what deaths/collapses happened when Letby was not duty?

A trial is only concerned with victims contained in the indictment. The names of other babies, not contained in the indictment for the first trial, may well end up in the indictment in further trials. They may well feature in the other handover sheets that “come home” with her too.

Also how many parents of other poor dead babies did she search for on FB? We’ll find out when OH have concluded their investigations. It could take a while…
 
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The fact that Operation Hummingbird is such a big police investigation suggests there is far more to this than just the babies A to Q. The Not Guilty stories won't go anywhere as she is very likely to face further charges.
 
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The fact that Operation Hummingbird is such a big police investigation suggests there is far more to this than just the babies A to Q. The Not Guilty stories won't go anywhere as she is very likely to face further charges.
I agree. It does make me feel really sick when I see all the nonsense being put out there, but then i come here for a read and it always makes me feel better. Her guilt is not in doubt but it baffles me why so many people are leaping on this. Hitchens has always been a prat, and I'm guessing Dorries was the ex Tory MP they were mentioning earlier, so not to worried about her, she's batshit.
 
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Is there any word of her appealing verdict for baby K ?
Surely with all these so called experts suddenly backing her and Protesting her innocent she will be given right to appeal and found not guilty.
OH wait No…shes been found guilty in a trial where they could have taken as many experts they wished to speak in her defence and a jury took no time in finding her guilty. Let her rot in a cell where she belongs and let the parents live there life as best as they can without all these bloody articles full of crap appearing daily.
 
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Excuse me if being really thick but doesn’t the infamous chart show that LL was on shift when babies collapsed/died?
Are people now saying that there were more baby deaths during this time period that haven’t been made public?
If this was the case, surely the stats would be used as part of the defence.
Apologies again if I’m being stupid but I followed these threads and Chester standard reporting and I thought it was pretty watertight that all the deaths occurred when LL was around.
My brain is a bit fuzzy because I currently have covid but maybe all these conspiracists are just trying to muddy the waters. I’m totally confused! Although I deffo think she’s guilty of the lot, and more sadly.
 
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They show themselves up when they write stuff like this. Conscientious? Over-worked?

Over worked from sending hundreds of personal messages when on duty, collecting and stashing loads of confidential papers in her home, Facebook stalking hundreds of patients, disrespectful towards colleagues and those senior to her.

It just shows how much they are willing to ignore evidence when they can’t even admit that even without the crimes she was a crappy nurse and colleague.

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The words conscientious and Lucy Letby do not belong in the same sentence, and the only despair she felt at work was when her Facebooking and WhatsApping was interrupted by having to do her job.
 
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Excuse me if being really thick but doesn’t the infamous chart show that LL was on shift when babies collapsed/died?
Are people now saying that there were more baby deaths during this time period that haven’t by een made public?
If this was the case, surely the stats would be used as part of the defence.
Apologies again if I’m being stupid but I followed these threads and Chester standard reporting and I thought it was pretty watertight that all the deaths occurred when LL was around.
My brain is a bit fuzzy because I currently have covid but maybe all these conspiracists are just trying to muddy the waters. I’m totally confused! Although I deffo think she’s guilty of the lot, and more sadly.

BBC Panorama said that there were 13 deaths during Letby's final 12 months on the unit and she was on shift for all of them. The source for this is not in the public domain perhaps because of ongoing investigations into the other deaths. Panorama's claim seems highly likely to be true because if it wasn't the defence could have used it to create doubt. If it is true then it would have made matters worse for Letby. There has been no challenge to Panorama's assertion.

Unfortunately cranks like Gill have seized on the fact that only the deaths for which Letby was charged with murder were considered in the trial and are using this to undermine the verdict - as you day "muddy the waters". Gill's a nasty piece of work - god knows what he gets out of all this,
 
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I have checked his timeline and he made explict accusions against Dr Gibbs on numerous occasionions. I hope he does take legal action against him.
It must have been pure hell for the Drs, and other staff, to live in this nightmare of babies dying in horrific and unexplained ways for at least 12 months. Months of trying to get management to listen.
Then the years of investigations and court cases. Add Gill and his like to this and now opportunistic bleeps like Nadine Dores, once again regurgitating what has already been said, crawl out of the woodwork.
Much as some Drs might like to sue I’d imagine, instead of dragging it out even more, they’d prefer to ignore these despicable people and enjoy their lives, careers or retirement in as much peace as possible.
Once the Inquiry has finished of course.
Absolute nightmare.
 
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Just had a quick scroll on twitter, looks like the yellow butterfly gang are planning a Lomdon protest on 28th July, according to Gill. I wonder how many will rock up for that?!
 
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BBC Panorama said that there were 13 deaths during Letby's final 12 months on the unit and she was on shift for all of them. The source for this is not in the public domain perhaps because of ongoing investigations into the other deaths. Panorama's claim seems highly likely to be true because if it wasn't the defence could have used it to create doubt. If it is true then it would have made matters worse for Letby. There has been no challenge to Panorama's assertion.

Unfortunately cranks like Gill have seized on the fact that only the deaths for which Letby was charged with murder were considered in the trial and are using this to undermine the verdict - as you day "muddy the waters". Gill's a nasty piece of work - god knows what he gets out of all this,
Thank you Apostate, you explained this so well. I forgot all about the Panorama programme. It’s scary how much the conspiracists can twist things and how quickly people forget the facts.
 
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Just posting the article published in Private Eye. Haven’t read it yet so don’t have an opinion on it.
I haven’t read it all but did zoom in for bits. They don’t talk about anything other than the “medical evidence” and the appeal being wrongly refused.
They bang all the other stuff (important vital strong evidence) as “circumstantial and don’t even consider it/mention it in detail. So the lay person that doesn’t know any of it will see this and think “wrong conviction” when again, it’s only half the story. Interestingly, one expert still wishes to remain unnamed ??

I don’t think these people realise that “circumstantial evidence” is still evidence and they really need to look up the pencil theory.
 
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I can't even be bothered to read it. I'll say it again, none of those new experts have reviewed all of the evidence that was available to the trial experts. So personally, they're opinions don't make me question anything.

It seems like somebody is funding all of this. What a terrible shame that the appeal judges couldn't be bought.
 
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