New article in The Telegraph saying several former Cabinet ministers have expressed concern over Letby case. Might be raised in Parliament.
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I assume that the concern is how it was ever allowed to happen, not in the verdicts?
She wasn't going to harm the babies in front of other people because she wanted to get away with it. Dr Jayaram caught her doing nothing when a tube was dislodged.
These articles and X mob never mention baby E’s mum. Her evidence was rock solid. Backed up by phone records, her husband and also the feeding schedule which proved she couldn’t be mistaken with her timings. She walked in on her screaming baby with blood around the mouth. Why would she be mistaken about that?
Of course Letby’s version of events differed, her notes differed (which I think is strong evidence of her falsifying her notes). She told mum she had already called for the doctor then sent mum away. But she had to send mum away because she hadn’t called for the doctor.
Why do people just ignore this stuff?
They also wouldn’t have seen her be unable to account for a 20 minute gap with baby A. She started her shift, checked equipment and baby A just collapsed! But that was 20 minutes after her shift started and it doesn’t take 20 minutes to check equipment. It was really noticeable in court but that doesn’t come across in reporting. And that was just on the day I was there when it was Myers asking the questions. Every single person who expresses concern about unsafe convictions are all people who never attended court.
Of course Letby’s version of events differed, her notes differed (which I think is strong evidence of her falsifying her notes). She told mum she had already called for the doctor then sent mum away. But she had to send mum away because she hadn’t called for the doctor.
Why do people just ignore this stuff?
They also wouldn’t have seen her be unable to account for a 20 minute gap with baby A. She started her shift, checked equipment and baby A just collapsed! But that was 20 minutes after her shift started and it doesn’t take 20 minutes to check equipment. It was really noticeable in court but that doesn’t come across in reporting. And that was just on the day I was there when it was Myers asking the questions. Every single person who expresses concern about unsafe convictions are all people who never attended court.
The authors of these articles and contributors wouldn't be saying these things if their loved ones were the victims. I feel very angry and frustrated reading these different reports. It must be terrible for the families who have been through years of hell and finally got justice and closure and then be faced with all these people trying to undermine things.
i'm afraid not. the populists have found a new cause celebre to go along with the denial of climate change and the like
Well in that case they can debate it in Parliament until they are blue in the face, it still won’t overturn 15 WHOs.
questions about how the stats were used began immediately after the trial. but only now are these people saying anything. now they are out of government they are looking for ways to undermine faith in institutions
Former Cabinet ministers concerned by Letby case, Telegraph understan…
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Ministers from the worst government this country has ever had are jumping on the bandwagon now
It was not just that Letby happened to be on shift. She was always involved in giving IV medicine just before the air embolism symptoms started or the one shouting for help. She was never in the canteen, toilet
or doing a crossword in the break room, when the suspicious collapses occurred.
Also, does Richard Gill want all deaths including in the chart, even if it was obvious why they died? If a baby is born with a known birth defect or syndrome which sadly means it will die shortly after birth should the onshift staff be included in the chart? Dr Evans excluded babies where it was obvious why they had died but the stasticians argument is they should be have been included.
or doing a crossword in the break room, when the suspicious collapses occurred.
Also, does Richard Gill want all deaths including in the chart, even if it was obvious why they died? If a baby is born with a known birth defect or syndrome which sadly means it will die shortly after birth should the onshift staff be included in the chart? Dr Evans excluded babies where it was obvious why they had died but the stasticians argument is they should be have been included.
What stats were used? They can’t exactly refrain from showing the jury that she was physically there and on shift for every incident. That’s like saying the cross bow killing b yesterday was at the crime scene as proven by cctv is a stat. It’s the bare minimum of presenting a case against somebody, to show that they were there. Other healthcare serial killer cases have heavily relied on stats but I’m confused how they couldn’t be. “We had 60 patients test for high levels of digoxin that wasn’t prescribed” what would be the first thing you’d look at? Who was there every time? What would be the chance it wasn’t them
It’s like people think every murder has to have a witness or a live recording for a conviction or something 
They’ve proved she was there every time and then every other element is factored in- all the other witness statements, the presentation of the victims, the trophies, the behaviour, the lies, the actual hard proof forensics like the insulin and injuries and sudden deaths of 38 week old multiples that have a 99% chance of survival.
“We had multiple stable babies suddenly cardiac arrest, many died. We had two (at least
) poisoned with insulin. We had two with liver injuries. We had several with large amounts of inexplicable air in their little bodies. We had multiple cases of unexplained bleeding. Multiple unexpected cases of terrible vomiting and gas in stomachs out of nowhere with no NEC present.” Who was there every time is the first place you would start even if you were thinking the cause was bad practice. It’s not a culture of poor care if it’s one persons involvement prior to incidents every single time. Not only involvement but the direct involvement that would have been needed to cause the alleged offences - accessing lines before air embolism, accessing feeding tubes before serious issues with gas in stomach preventing breathing, access to tubes in the throat prior to awful bleeding. If those incidents are sudden and dramatic and their only pattern is when one person is by their cot is that a stat? Where is the mathematical formulae
Honestly if they weren’t prem babies nobody would see it like this at all. People think they can spontaneously die out of nowhere and that’s the issue.
This is starting to get ridiculous. She is a convicted baby killer. It was thoroughly investigated and there was more than enough coincidental evidence etc. it was thoroughly considered by the jury. The prosecution built a strong and well supported case. There were witnesses to back events up. I can imagine there are the off social media wackos who like conspiracy and a drawn it by the plain, quiet, normal looking nurse, how she’s been utterly scapegoated by the hospital, but if it goes to parliament I just will be so angry. Those poor families!!
The fact she isn't in wailing hysterics screaming her innocence speaks absolute volumes and the fact none of these deniers can see that is terrifying. If you were looking at being in prison for the rest of your days for murdering lots of premature babies in horrific ways, why would you just be sat timid and meek? You'd be screaming the place down, banging, slamming, shouting anything it took to beg people to listen to you that you didn't do this, you'd not just accept your bleeping fate and show no emotion when they detailed the hideous things that happened to those angels
Hello all!! So nice to see all the regulars back here again. After the original verdict, I decided to take a break (got married!) but did still keep an eye on her appeals. Was very pleased to see them all rejected. I saw the news headline of the latest trial and felt relief again. Don't blame her parents for not wanting to sit through another trial - can't imagine their health will cope with the stress.
Now I see all these opinion pieces from conspiracy nuts/attention seeking journos flood the media and ran here to see what everyone thought. All these vultures using a tragedy to make a name for themselves and garner media attention... I saw one crackpot neonatologist who admitted not seeing the case files or medical notes and still publicly state Evan's report was wrong. How is she any better than her patients who read Google for symptoms and think they know better than her!! Shows you can be intelligent enough to become a doctor and still lack common sense or emotional intelligence.
No surprise that she still hasn't confessed. It's the only card she still holds and will milk it till she dies in prison. I now believe more than ever - she needs attention and control, without it she will wither. And there's enough dumb asses out there giving it to her by making her the patron saint of wronged prisoners.
I did see what Dr No Name looks like too (there are no words..) and felt he's got his just desserts for betraying his family. Thing is if she wasn't a psycho serial killer, he would have been just another creepy senior man trying to get into the pants of his junior. He was totally grooming her for an affair, but player got played and how!
I haven't kept up with Twitter/Reddit - what happened to Gill, and Sarita Adams and co??
Now I see all these opinion pieces from conspiracy nuts/attention seeking journos flood the media and ran here to see what everyone thought. All these vultures using a tragedy to make a name for themselves and garner media attention... I saw one crackpot neonatologist who admitted not seeing the case files or medical notes and still publicly state Evan's report was wrong. How is she any better than her patients who read Google for symptoms and think they know better than her!! Shows you can be intelligent enough to become a doctor and still lack common sense or emotional intelligence.
No surprise that she still hasn't confessed. It's the only card she still holds and will milk it till she dies in prison. I now believe more than ever - she needs attention and control, without it she will wither. And there's enough dumb asses out there giving it to her by making her the patron saint of wronged prisoners.
I did see what Dr No Name looks like too (there are no words..) and felt he's got his just desserts for betraying his family. Thing is if she wasn't a psycho serial killer, he would have been just another creepy senior man trying to get into the pants of his junior. He was totally grooming her for an affair, but player got played and how!
I haven't kept up with Twitter/Reddit - what happened to Gill, and Sarita Adams and co??
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Also, if they didn’t show that she was there for every incident they’d be crying and saying “but they didn’t prove she was there for every one of these events” the prosecution can’t win and I do hope it gets looked at by all these governing bodies because they’ll quickly realise it was more than “just statistics” and half of the evidence has been ignored by these weirdos
Former Cabinet ministers now showing 'concern'? Hmm, wouldn't have anything to do with the possibility that many of them have been twiddling their thumbs since losing their seats, looking for some 'cause' to stick to the new Government and have had the likes of Merlot Mark, Gilly-boy and the LL random fan club haranguing them to 'do something', then? I said it before, statistics have to be backed by qualitative data which is, in this case and broadly explored here on Tattle, pretty damn extensive.
I haven't followed this case but was a bit puzzled to hear it being discussed again on the radio this morning about her maybe being innocent?
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Menwhile Charles Bronson who robbed a post office of 20 quid when he was 19 was told by those employed for the former cabinet ministers that they realised his 50 years in prison was a bit over the odds but they never intend to release him. Due to the fact that they recognise they've tortured him to the degree that he's insane now and might upset the twin set & pearls brigade if he's released and does something untoward in the streets. And no public outcry about that was there?
This witch will be Myra Hindley. Lord this and that will take up her case. TV personalities will campaign for her freedom and newspapers write self righteous opinion pieces about injustices and the tragic waste of her life.
I hate this country sometimes.
This witch will be Myra Hindley. Lord this and that will take up her case. TV personalities will campaign for her freedom and newspapers write self righteous opinion pieces about injustices and the tragic waste of her life.
I hate this country sometimes.
Im all for true crime theories and debate but I get so angry at the denial in this case. The thought of there being even a tiny chance of people making enough noise that it could be overturned one day makes me sick and leaves such a sinking feeling.
Hindley is a good example actually. But always remember that she didn’t get out of jail alive.
In all my years on this earth, I didn't know Bronson wasn't a murderer!
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