Lucy Letby Case #7

[Weeder]

Or born December 1989 - June 2015 time of the first alleged murder she was nearer aged 26. I saw on here that someone said by age 25 your personality has settled? I don't know for sure.

Also the posed photos holding a baby & babygrow, we've already established she would probably look different now as at least one, or both, of the photos are from over 10 years ago, taken from the hospital's magazine of early 2012.

I don't think the 25 thing is true at all. I started nursing at 24 in 1996 (I worked in nursing homes since 1988 to support myself through education) I'm now 50. I can't believe I managed nursing at that age in very traumatic and serious situations sometimes ..seriously. I was so messed up outside work, working 60 hr weeks and nights with zero routine, stressed out of my mind, managing wards, out all the time drinking, buying my first house solo. I feel like a completely different person and know how differently I'd approach it now . That's no reflection on the court case, just that 25 is so, so young for some people. Certainly was for me.


I think it's all individual, it depends on your upbringing, exposure etc.

 

[candyland_]

Is it strange that Baby B CPAP prongs were dislodged out of the nose? It seems like a fairly large piece of equipment for a premature baby and it doesn’t look like they could easily fall out.

 

[acsunderland]

On June 30, following the deaths of Child A, C and D, and the non-fatal collapse of Child B, Letby's colleague messaged her there was something 'odd' about that night.

Letby replies: 'What do you mean? Odd that we lost three and in different cicrumstances?'

different circumstances?
Child A and D - suspected embolus in the blood stream
Child C - suspected air embolus via NG tube



Yes might be fishing to see it people suspect anything.

The different circumstances comment is a bit suss

 

[jackolantern]

One thing's for sure, if she has tried to cover herself she's made a crappy job of it. She just draws attention and makes herself seem weirder and weird raises suspicion and makes people uncomfortable.

 

[dustyrhodes]

The Facebook searches are so odd, there's no getting away from that

 

[Walnutss]

An absolute ghoul that's what she comes across as to me
I've said guilty from the start and I still think guilty.
I think she had an enormous sense of grandeur and was so arrogant hence why no defence in the looking up families etc

Dunno where people see this wide eyed bambi type I think she looks like a creepy witch maybe hindsight but if I was bathing my dead baby and she came over to speak about the babies first bath I'd have scratched her eyes out

 

[SwizzleMalarkey]

But at the time Letby sent the message saying that they wouldn't have know what the latest baby had died from.
To me the messages come across as planting the seed with her colleague that they all died a different way when in reality, once foul play was suspected, it was discovered they all had died in a similar way. And that Letby knew this but wanted to keep people from making the link.

I suppose they didn’t know at the time, but there was nothing to suggest that they had died the same way or from the same cause. I think it’s easy to see her trying to influence the other nurse there but to me she is just questioning her thinking. She doesn’t refute the claims at all.

 

[Former_Antelopee]

Lucy didn’t want to be around Baby A and Bs parents but she took baby A to them when they passed so it’s contradictory.
I think she didn’t want to be on their radar if they started to point the finger and she didn’t want to be the nurse connected to baby B when they collapsed.

I think that’s a bit different? I’d just see it as she didn’t want to also be involved with them with Baby B. After what they went through with the first and the fact that she’d done the hard part of having to deal with the baby and parents after he passed. As imo could be hard for the parents to then have to deal with her as she was the one who just dealt with baby A after he passed. It’s not like she said she didn’t want to be involved with the parents until after that as she obviously was involved with them until she took baby A to them?

 

[LilPinkie]

The Facebook searches are so odd, there's no getting away from that

See, that to me is what they’re grasping at but I bet it isn’t that strange. I know myself, my friends and from reading on Tattle that people search for others on FB all the time. This could be twisted to say she was innocently curious how they were coping, looking at how much they were looking forward to the pregnancy. I would imagine it’s definitely more common than people think. It’s human nature often to be nosey. I’m on the crime thread and everyone on there does it. If you search for someone on FB who is in the news, it’ll show their name as “popular now” so everyone does it. It’s the first thing the media does as well.

 

[candyland_]

I think that’s a bit different? I’d just see it as she didn’t want to also be involved with them with Baby B. After what they went through with the first and the fact that she’d done the hard part of having to deal with the baby and parents after he passed. As imo could be hard for the parents to then have to deal with her as she was the one who just dealt with baby A after he passed. It’s not like she said she didn’t want to be involved with the parents until after that as she obviously was involved with them until she took baby A to them?

She said she didn’t want to see the parents and got another nurse to look after baby b but as we can see from the evidence being given today she was caring for baby b straight away even though she was designated two other babies in another room.

 

[Former_Antelopee]

She said she didn’t want to see the parents and got another nurse to look after baby b but as we can see from the evidence being given today she was caring for baby b straight away even though she was designated two other babies in another room.

Could because of them being short staffed the other nurse have asked for her help as she was in the same room? As she said the reason she didn’t want to look after him was due to not anting to see the parents? So if they weren’t in the room maybe she didn’t mind helping?
Or she said she split her shifts so could she maybe have looked after him for a short time until another nurse was able to take over?

 

[Windowtothewall]

The one thing I'm learning from the messages is that everyone other than LL found things odd, questioned them, raised concerns, noticed things. Nurses, parents, doctors. Especially since these were all patients she was attending to as well.

If she was so dedicated to babies and her job, why wasn't she noticing unusual things and questioning/flagging/discussing them. Instead she says she was bored and unfulfilled....

So far LL hasn't noticed the weird mottling the doctors and nurses did
Hasn't noticed that 4 babies all had air problems (despite watching this same thing on TV that week) - that her colleague did

And I know from future cases, there were similar things about mottling, insulin etc that she never raised as concerns. Will be interesting to see her messages from those times and if others once again noticed stuff she didn't.

 

[avabella]

See, that to me is what they’re grasping at but I bet it isn’t that strange. I know myself, my friends and from reading on Tattle that people search for others on FB all the time. This could be twisted to say she was innocently curious how they were coping, looking at how much they were looking forward to the pregnancy. I would imagine it’s definitely more common than people think. It’s human nature often to be nosey. I’m on the crime thread and everyone on there does it. If you search for someone on FB who is in the news, it’ll show their name as “popular now” so everyone does it. It’s the first thing the media does as well.

I still occasionally look up people I knew 15+ years ago

The one thing I'm learning from the messages is that everyone other than LL found things odd, questioned them, raised concerns, noticed things. Nurses, parents, doctors. Especially since these were all patients she was attending to as well.

If she was so dedicated to babies and her job, why wasn't she noticing unusual things and questioning/flagging/discussing them. Instead she says she was bored and unfulfilled....

So far LL hasn't noticed the weird mottling the doctors and nurses did
Hasn't noticed that 4 babies all had air problems (despite watching this same thing on TV that week) - that her colleague did

And I know from future cases, there were similar things about mottling, insulin etc that she never raised as concerns. Will be interesting to see her messages from those times and if others once again noticed stuff she didn't.

The prosecution won't present evidence that shows LL was (if indeed she was) concerned about the level of care or standards though, will they? That'll surely be for the defence, and I suspect it may come up.

 

[candyland_]

Could because of them being short staffed the other nurse have asked for her help as she was in the same room? As she said the reason she didn’t want to look after him was due to not anting to see the parents? So if they weren’t in the room maybe she didn’t mind helping?
Or she said she split her shifts so could she maybe have looked after him for a short time until another nurse was able to take over?

Baby B was in room 1 and she was looking after 2 babies in room 3. Who knows? It should be touched upon in the prosecution because I’m sure they will want to know why she was always involved.

 

[Dizzy]

Some of the jokes I've heard would not be acceptable to the general public they call it gallows humour. It's definitely a coping mechanism an unhealthy one sometimes.

I completely agree with this. I have a close friend who’s a paramedic and the humour she shares with her colleagues is daaaaark. However, as we’ve heard neonatal deaths aren’t actually that common, what were there - 3 deaths a year in the hospital excluding 2015-2016? I feel like a death on the ward would very much be seen and felt as an exception, a stand out event and I don’t think a joking matter, even taking into account the gallows humour and the challenges of the role in general.

 

[Windowtothewall]

I still occasionally look up people I knew 15+ years ago


The prosecution are hardly going to present evidence that shows LL was (if indeed she was) concerned about the level of care or standards though are they? That'll be for the defence, and I suspect it may come up.

They have shared all the evidence and messages/notes/complaints with the defence. And defence has agreed these are agreed facts. If there were messages or complaints she had raised, the prosecution would have to share them for a balanced view of everything that occurred around the baby's treatment. They can't present a biased view by ignoring key facts and evidence.

 

[avabella]

They have shared all the evidence and messages/notes/complaints with the defence. And defence has agreed these are agreed facts. If there were messages or complaints she had raised, the prosecution would have to share them for a balanced view of everything that occurred around the baby's treatment. They can't present a biased view by ignoring key facts and evidence.

They have mentioned she was in a grievance with her employer so I wonder if that is what it is alluding to?

 

[Former_Antelopee]

I completely agree with this. I have a close friend who’s a paramedic and the humour she shares with her colleagues is daaaaark. However, as we’ve heard neonatal deaths aren’t actually that common, what were there - 3 deaths a year in the hospital excluding 2015-2016? I feel like a death on the ward would very much be seen and felt as an exception, a stand out event and I don’t think a joking matter, even taking into account the gallows humour and the challenges of the role in general.

It may have been uncommon where they worked as weren’t the more poorly babies transferred? So it may not as been so uncommon for babies they had been treated that were transferred to then have passed away?

 

[Windowtothewall]

They have mentioned she was in a grievance with her employer so I wonder if that is what it is alluding to?

No the grievance was after being moved to admin duties. She didn't raise anything before she was suspected and the police investigation began. Or defence would have referred to in their opening.

If she was genuinely concerned she would have done it before suspicions and chatter was happening. She would have done it because she cared about the welfare of the babies, not because she was upset at moving to admin duties or being suspected.

 

[mchammerr]

Regarding Facebook this is what we know so far:

Child A died 8.58pm on 8th June

June 9th 9.58am - 13hrs after the baby died Lucy looks up mum on Facebook.

Please can somebody give me a reasonable explanation for why she would do this? Baby B was still in hospital. Mum was either still in hospital or visiting baby from 9am every day. Why would she need to check up on them on Facebook? What was she looking for?

also these dates:
June 10th
June 25th
Sept 2nd

Yet in police interview she says she has no memory of doing so. I mean, REALLY??

In a November 2020 police interview, police put to her that Letby had tracked the family of Child A on Facebook. She said she had no memory of doing so but accepted it if there was evidence on her computer doing so.

You’ve looked them up four times after the baby died, including 3 months later so you still remembered the name, you were telling colleagues you were affected by the death so much you wanted to actively avoid the parents, but you have no memory of ever looking them up? Not even an ‘oh yes I do remember now, it was because xxx’

It’s just not in the slightest bit credible. It makes me so suspicious of her.

My theory is she was keeping tabs on any potential accusations being posted by parents toward hospital/staff being the reason the babies died.