If the unit was as short staffed as it has been reported to have been, this seems really likely.
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Because dying under the same circumstances would be even odder.
That's why, I think, LL planted the seed by saying 'different circumstances'. She was changing the narrative and taking control of the gossip.
The colleague already thought it was a strange comment because, for some reason, they were under the impression that the 3 babies had died under similar circumstances.
Her colleague realising that they had said too much, replies, 'Ignore me. I'm speculating'
So there was speculation from the 'get-go' but LL appeared to know about this suspicion. And we're only on child A...what the hell did conversation turn into by the time we get to child Q?
I’m struggling with picturing the current scenario but I think it’s probably the reporting (sorry Mark) as jury have seen a room layout.
Room 1 had two babies and one nurse before the collapse of baby D. (A second nurse for the other baby after collapse - so two babies and two nurses)
Room 3 Lucy was designated nurse to two babies. Were there any other babies and nurses in that room or was Lucy leaving them unnattended?
Where are each of the rooms in relation to each other. Is room 3 next to room 1 (you would think it would be room 2)
If a nurse needs help then who do they ask, the room closest to them or someone with less dependent babies?
Room 1 had two babies and one nurse before the collapse of baby D. (A second nurse for the other baby after collapse - so two babies and two nurses)
Room 3 Lucy was designated nurse to two babies. Were there any other babies and nurses in that room or was Lucy leaving them unnattended?
Where are each of the rooms in relation to each other. Is room 3 next to room 1 (you would think it would be room 2)
If a nurse needs help then who do they ask, the room closest to them or someone with less dependent babies?
I didn't even realise nurse's got assigned people I just assumed if someone pressed an alarm someone went, interesting I just assumed there was a head nurse giving out orders.
My friend who is a nurse says there is always loose medication. She said its rarely checked where she is unless it's a benzo or something
Shes always got a pocket full of something when she comes home
and I won't say what hospital just incase lol
My friend who is a nurse says there is always loose medication. She said its rarely checked where she is unless it's a benzo or something
Shes always got a pocket full of something when she comes home
and I won't say what hospital just incase lolYeah these are the questions I have had. I said yesterday that a room layout would be useful.
Was the virtual room layout of the unit definitely after LL?
I think it is. Not 100% sure though.
Ah that's a shame as it would have been useful to have a visual.
I didn’t follow the Star threads and don’t want to derail here but that’s the worst case I’ve ever read about, glad I didn’t get involved now.
From what i understood the jury were shown a video of the original NNU (not the new one) but it wasn’t a NNU when it was filmed. I’m not sure what the rooms are being used for now but does that make sense? There would be no point showing the jury a video of the brand new unit.
In fairness the push for a designated nurse came from the francis report, some places have always had named nurses but not all, so it's possible that she's worked places without designated nurses where everyone chipped inI didn't even realise nurse's got assigned people I just assumed if someone pressed an alarm someone went, interesting I just assumed there was a head nurse giving out orders.
My friend who is a nurse says there is always loose medication. She said its rarely checked where she is unless it's a benzo or something
Shes always got a pocket full of something when she comes home
Even if you're allocated a specific patient, a decent nurse would see to any patient if they were free and their nurse was busy, it doesn't mean you can't help with other patients just that you're responsible for those like meeting their needs, doing paperwork.
I seem to remember the reporter saying that the jury were shown the virtual tour but it was the remodeled one after LL had left. I wondered why they showed it to them unless they also had a paper version/drawing of the layout as it was then and was just a way to see what a unit would look like in 3D
Ah that makes more sense. I did think it was weird at the time but must have missed that bit
Why are people demonising and making snarky comments about people who don't have their exact line of thinking? Not everyone is going to agree with you or think the same as you and guess what. You will DEAL.
Yes my thought exactly
Following on from the discussion about the text messages. BBC have reported them differently - I think it was said here she initiated all conversations but it said here she replied to a text when a colleague text her “hi Lucy hope you are ok”
I’m so conflicted by this case, before the trial began I was certain she was guilty purely based on how the story was presented by the media - it felt like her guilt was iron-clad!
But I’m really on the fence now, I agree she has done some odd things with the post it note, Facebook stalking and some of her responses to police or colleagues feel awkward and stilted, but as others have said, these are all subjective and don’t give us 100 per cent certainty that she did all of this.
I’m a socially awkward person with extreme anxiety and get the impression she is too, I can totally see her freezing like a deer in the headlights with the police or overthinking things by searching for parents on Facebook and catastrophising on her post it note.
I’m definitely not saying she’s innocent, I really want to know about the blood coming out of the babies mouth and what happened with the insulin in the IV bag, that will really cement for me whether she’s guilty or not.
I don’t think for one minute people are defending her, I think people just want to be sure she really is guilty before throwing away the key. We’ve seen so many people sent to prison based on ‘expert evidence’ only for there to be gaping great holes in the evidence later on: Amanda Knox, Louise Woodward and The mum whose baby was taken by a dingo in the 1980s.
I just hope those poor parents get some sort of resolution either way, I’m a mum and I honestly don’t think I’d be able to cope if I was them
But I’m really on the fence now, I agree she has done some odd things with the post it note, Facebook stalking and some of her responses to police or colleagues feel awkward and stilted, but as others have said, these are all subjective and don’t give us 100 per cent certainty that she did all of this.
I’m a socially awkward person with extreme anxiety and get the impression she is too, I can totally see her freezing like a deer in the headlights with the police or overthinking things by searching for parents on Facebook and catastrophising on her post it note.
I’m definitely not saying she’s innocent, I really want to know about the blood coming out of the babies mouth and what happened with the insulin in the IV bag, that will really cement for me whether she’s guilty or not.
I don’t think for one minute people are defending her, I think people just want to be sure she really is guilty before throwing away the key. We’ve seen so many people sent to prison based on ‘expert evidence’ only for there to be gaping great holes in the evidence later on: Amanda Knox, Louise Woodward and The mum whose baby was taken by a dingo in the 1980s.
I just hope those poor parents get some sort of resolution either way, I’m a mum and I honestly don’t think I’d be able to cope if I was them
even though I work in the nursing profession , I’m totally not shocked at what current nursing standards are like
You have the Shrewsbury maternity scandal , mid Staffordshire scandal , Bristol heart scandal . Hundreds of adults and babies have all died due to shocking care so there will be occasions where nurses will get away with bad behaviour
Lucy Letby: Nurse told colleagues of baby death heartbreak, court told
Lucy Letby's trial is told she messaged colleagues about how hard it was to deal with bereaved parents.
www.bbc.co.uk
The BBC reporting of the texts are a lot more involved
This bit stood out to me. She’s searched them on Facebook how many times yet has then messaged a colleague asking about them too?
I feel like these make the texts seem more understandable. If she's innocent, seems that the first death was really impactful and that's why she kept searching and seeing how they were doing. I can't see anything suspicious or wrong with those.Lucy Letby: Nurse told colleagues of baby death heartbreak, court told
Lucy Letby's trial is told she messaged colleagues about how hard it was to deal with bereaved parents.
The BBC reporting of the texts are a lot more involved
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