Would she have had a lawyer present for the police interviews? Maybe they advised her to say she does not remember in regards to searching the families on Facebook.
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Yes they have but the fact she didn't google anything is neither here nor there really. It isn't proof she's innocent by any stretch of the imagination.
I get what you mean blue, it does happen so not impossible.
You’re constantly minimising babies dying. Babies that were expected to live.
Child A was breathing on his own in air. That is not very poorly.
Constantly saying ‘these babies were very poorly’ is in no way an adequate defence when, in the case of child A for example, any relative and reasonable assessment would not indicate this.
I'd be ducked if that's what we are basing it off. I quite literally searched "how to get away with murder" because I wanted cast info on the TV show, probably should have added IMDB in hindsight
I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I'm just pointing out the fact she didn't make google searches isn't particularly significant IMO.
The phrase absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence came to mind when I read this comment.
I didn’t say you didn’t, and I actually agree with you. Just reassuring Blue that I get what they’re saying.
Same with me , I don't think she's an angel but the prosecutions case seems a bit shoddy so far. I had a feeling as it took so long to charge her. There's a few that have been acquitted on similar cases. We aren't barristers and we have managed to poke holes , I wonder what the defence will do..I'm officially in the "do not know" camp. Won't change my vote until the next thread. I still think she's guilty based soley on there being no way anyone is that unlucky BUT could I in good conscious convict her based on what we know so far?? Nope.
They have convinced me she's an attention seeking weirdo with a lack of social skills, awareness and boundaries but that's about it!!
Alcohol actually seems like a very reasonable explanation for her not remembering. Wonder will this come up or not...
Oh interesting I didn't realise they usually save strongest evidence last. I've never followed a court case in this much detail before so I'm pretty clueless. As someone who also has no experience working in healthcare I find it really hard to know what evidence is strong and what isn't. I definitely want more background on Lucy as a person and her colleagues opinions of her as a nurse during the time she was practicing.
The prosecution’s proper case hasn’t even started besides their opening statement , they’re still reading out agreed facts.
To add. But I’m not, on the jury, and so for me I think she is guilty. Too many coincidences to be bad luck or chance …
I really wish you wouldn't project onto me - I am in NO WAY minimising deaths of babies. I have clarified on the previous thread that babies/pregnancies/childbirth etc is all absolutely precious and absolute miracles that shouldn't be taken for granted.
But the FACT is that the babies were very poorly. They were in a neonatal unit and the Dr today has been QUOTED as saying 'she didn't know what baby to attend to first' - that doesn't sound like two healthy babies to me.
Copied and pasted from the Dr's evidence;
Further ventilation support was given to Child A with the neopuff device "for a short time" to reduce the pauses in between breathing.
She recalls 'chest compressions' were seen on Child B, which she interpreted as "a bad sign".
"It was difficult to know which baby to assist," Dr Beech recalled, as Child A was still not yet stable.
Dr Beech's note at 2.50pm asked for an "urgent post-mortem" for Child A to look for signs of thrombosis, "as this may have implications for [Child B]".
An x-ray review had shown Child A had a symptom of newborn respiratory distress syndrome.
How do you know what they advised her? Isn’t there a thing called Client/Lawyer privilege?
Im going back even further so Im not surprised it gone up! They just cant risk the expense of a NG verdict. Justice comes at a price.
Of course we can have an opinion on it. I see lots of professionals in the medical world for my son, along with school staff. I don’t care if it’s the ‘norm’ in that environment, it’s unprofessional and crosses boundaries and I’d have a lot to say about it if I learned someone my son works with is snooping on me and our family on Facebook. My profile is private but that doesn’t excuse the behaviour.
Obviously I have no idea what her lawyers specifically advised her, I meant generally if your defence team felt the evidence against you was overwhelming then they'd advise you to plead guilty.
I think people can be abit harsh to you on this thread at times. I think your an asset to it personally.
This is where the statistics come in and where other cases have fallen apart. If LL was present on overtime shifts on 5 days of the week and other nurses only worked 3 shifts a week. LL would be more likely to be present at more collapses even if no wrongdoing occured.
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