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anotheronebitesthedust.1 said:
Regarding the handover sheet , myself and other nurses have said that we do often take them home at end of shifts forgetting to empty pockets and majority of the time we do get rid of them or they lie at bottoms of bags
Also my handovers and I’m sure it’s the same for other departments , they contain all patients and all relevant information pertaining to each patient so we know about them in case we have to cover for breaks , lunches , if another nurse is busy or if they are doing theatre runs
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But it wasn't her patient. And it was a baby who suffered a collapse, who's twin died. I'm pretty sure if she was so traumatised by the incident and not comfortable seeing the parents, she would remember she had the sheet. Especially because she knew they were doing a post mortem on the baby's twin.

Also - if there had been a review of this case, it wasn't LL's name on any of it. This has only been found out because of a police investigation where they could search her house and her messages. A hospital review couldn't have done that. Her colleague could have gotten in serious trouble because she was the designated nurse. It's one thing to take over documentation for any old case, quite another when it's an unusual incident and you know the parents are heartbroken/and your colleague is named on it. Probably a good lesson for all medical staff that hospital protocol exists for a reason. So they can get an accurate picture of what happened without police searches. It isn't just made up bureauracy.
 
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Seeing more of the texts the evidence looks to be very circumstantial. I wasn't around for the Star Hobson case I'm actually one of those people who normally says guilty throwaway the key. The thing that draws me to this is her occupation, things that many nurses do everyday are being cast as guilt , she seems a bit odd many people are odd. The fact many of these cases are later acquitted due to the evidence being unsafe.
This is a serious if you are going to convict someone of being a notorious baby serial killer and a life sentence in HMP you better be sure.
 
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Notworthy

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Tofino said:
It’s not the prosecution, it’s the media. They are cherry picking what they want to report. BBC will have still got the fuller versions from the prosecution today.

i don’t actually know if we are still in ‘agreed facts’ of the case.

I’m sure it’s a difficult job but I feel like Mark at Chester Standard has not done a great job today.
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When you start following a cse live, it really shows up how piss poor our media is and how easy it is for them to set the narrative.
 
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Deeznutslol

Former_Antelopee said:
She said something like ‘I’m never going to swap shifts with you again haha’ after the baby A death.
I agree with others that it’s dark humour but doesn’t mean anything more (to me anyway)
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Ohh right I see, yeah I agree, I don’t think this can really be taken as her being guilty. I’d be more suspicious if she said ‘what a fantastic shift that was, please give me another one of yours’
 
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Daisydunn15

anotheronebitesthedust.1 said:
Regarding the handover sheet , myself and other nurses have said that we do often take them home at end of shifts forgetting to empty pockets and majority of the time we do get rid of them or they lie at bottoms of bags
Also my handovers and I’m sure it’s the same for other departments , they contain all patients and all relevant information pertaining to each patient so we know about them in case we have to cover for breaks , lunches , if another nurse is busy or if they are doing theatre runs
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Yeah when we had them we would print a load out in the morning, everyone would take one. I'd normally scribble my breaks or my turn on obs on the back and it was often still in my pocket by the end of the day, id stick them on the log burner but there's probably still some in a handbag somewhere.
 
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riddleme89

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those poor parents
grief can make you do things like the dad collapsed to the floor . I know how that feels
I was at work one day when this pain crippled me I didn’t have long left at work before maternity leave and was on light duties due to the busy ward and 12 hour shifts . My manager rushed me to the maternity ward .they put the dopler on and she couldn’t find the heartbeat I was hysterical almost like this can’t be real I’ve got the pram clothes the cots up and the rooms all decorated ready . She sent me for a scan to confirm . I sat in the room surrounded by expecting mother’s they was talking but it was silent to me . I was taken in the room the lady was talking to me but again the room fell silent . I looked at the screen was no heartbeat . I was convinced it was wrong I fell to the ground screaming hysterically. My husband said he will never forget that scream even now years down the line . I didn’t want to believe it in a manic state I made my husband take me to another hospital. Sadly it was real and it was happening . I knew then I was not taking a baby home . My eldest was not going to have a baby brother . It’s such a horrible pain to loose a baby .

my Heart hurts for those poor parents I don’t know how they attend the trial day in day out I can only think that they want answers ❤
 
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Lucymyers

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candyland_ said:
Is it strange that Baby B CPAP prongs were dislodged out of the nose? It seems like a fairly large piece of equipment for a premature baby and it doesn’t look like they could easily fall out.
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Could the baby pull them out
 
IdeletedbutI'mbackagain

IdeletedbutI'mbackagain

I’mThankyou_ said:
I think it can absolutely apply here.
I had a dark sense of humour (for the want of a better word) regarding death long before I worked for the NHS.
It all depends on her as a person and how she handles things, we haven't heard anything about her character so I can only assume there could be relevant trauma somewhere in her life where she would have some sort of dark humour surrounding these kinds of things.
And as above has said, it wasn't dead baby jokes, it's just banter around luck of a shift.
Even without a baby passing a shift could be absolutely tit, and you'd still say "oh that's the last time I agree to a shift swap" or words to that effect
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But I never said there were dead baby jokes. I dont know why this is being referenced to what I said. I only brought up gallows humour in reply to saying gallows humour was okay in this situation and I was saying I don't think it is as deaths would be exceedingly rare.
Very confused at the moment.
 
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just_nicole

riddleme89 said:
those poor parents
grief can make you do things like the dad collapsed to the floor . I know how that feels
I was at work one day when this pain crippled me I didn’t have long left at work before maternity leave and was on light duties due to the busy ward and 12 hour shifts . My manager rushed me to the maternity ward .they put the dopler on and she couldn’t find the heartbeat I was hysterical almost like this can’t be real I’ve got the pram clothes the cots up and the rooms all decorated ready . She sent me for a scan to confirm . I sat in the room surrounded by expecting mother’s they was talking but it was silent to me . I was taken in the room the lady was talking to me but again the room fell silent . I looked at the screen was no heartbeat . I was convinced it was wrong I fell to the ground screaming hysterically. My husband said he will never forget that scream even now years down the line . I didn’t want to believe it in a manic state I made my husband take me to another hospital. Sadly it was real and it was happening . I knew then I was not taking a baby home . My eldest was not going to have a baby brother . It’s such a horrible pain to loose a baby .

my Heart hurts for those poor parents I don’t know how they attend the trial day in day out I can only think that they want answers ❤
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Am so sorry for your loss ❤
 
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Deeznutslol

IdeletedbutI'mbackagain said:
But I never said there were dead baby jokes. I do think know why this is being referenced to what I said. I only brought up gallows humour in reply to saying gallows humour was okay in this situation and I was saying I don't think it is as deaths would be exceedingly rare.
Very confused at the moment.
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No one is saying you said she made dead baby jokes omg. I literally read your post about gallows humour, had obviously missed the part where she said ‘haha last time I take one of your shifts’ and asked what the joke she made was.
 
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I’mThankyou_

I’mThankyou_

IdeletedbutI'mbackagain said:
But I never said there were dead baby jokes. I do think know why this is being referenced to what I said. I only brought up gallows humour in reply to saying gallows humour was okay in this situation and I was saying I don't think it is as deaths would be exceedingly rare.
Very confused at the moment.
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I'm just viewing the messages from a perspective that I've been in before.
We don't know anything of her character so it's hard to say weather it's appropriate for her to be using that type of humour.
I don't think the messages are her passing blame, to me it just sounds like a normal conversation I've had with many of my colleagues.
I read the dead baby comment wrong so apologies for any confusion caused.
Rare deaths or not, the texts on their own wouldn't draw me to any conclusion that she was absolutely guilty, but perhaps if I'd never worked in a setting where dark humour pulls you through I may think differently.
It will be interesting to hear about her as a person and what her personality was/is.
I'm surprised they've jumped straight to the evidence without giving the jury an insight to her.
 
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IdeletedbutI'mbackagain

IdeletedbutI'mbackagain

Deeznutslol said:
No one is saying you said she made dead baby jokes omg. I literally read your post about gallows humour, had obviously missed the part where she said ‘haha last time I take one of your shifts’ and asked what the joke she made was.
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Ah okay. I didn't even bring up gallows humour tbh it was another poster but the only thing I consider close to it is that quote from her!
I just think her messages are off, even with the fuller context in the bbc I find them weird!
 
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Daisydunn15

I’mThankyou_ said:
I'm just viewing the messages from a perspective that I've been in before.
We don't know anything of her character so it's hard to say weather it's appropriate for her to be using that type of humour.
I don't think the messages are her passing blame, to me it just sounds like a normal conversation I've had with many of my colleagues.
I read the dead baby comment wrong so apologies for any confusion caused.
Rare deaths or not, the texts on their own wouldn't draw me to any conclusion that she was absolutely guilty, but perhaps if I'd never worked in a setting where dark humour pulls you through I may think differently.
It will be interesting to hear about her as a person and what her personality was/is.
I'm surprised they've jumped straight to the evidence without giving the jury an insight to her.
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Unless it's because it's the prosecution and there's nothing in her character to share?
 
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