Lucy Letby Case #7

[Tofino]

Following on from the discussion about the text messages. BBC have reported them differently - I think it was said here she initiated all conversations but it said here she replied to a text when a colleague text her “hi Lucy hope you are ok”View attachment 1659651

This is going to get really hard to follow if the media report different stuff.

Mail Online are reporting slightly different again and this bit chilled me to the bone, bearing in mind this was after child A. If she’s guilty we will definitely be hearing more from before child A

The colleague expressed sympathy that Letby was on duty at the time, adding: 'I’m sorry it happened when you were taking care of him. You’re not having a good run at the moment.'

https://www.archive.is/oldest/https...urses-messaged-Lucy-Letby-oddness-deaths.html

 

[candyland_]

It’s impossible to form a real opinion when the news reporters are so different regarding the texts.

 

[friedeggontoast]

To me the texts read as LL trying to shift blame and control the narrative. She is saying she can’t look after the second twin because she can’t face the parents so her colleague agrees to take over as designated nurse. So on the record the other nurse is ‘responsible’ for whatever happens to the baby that night. But then she still is tending to the baby that night, she’s just not got a paper trail saying she was their designated nurse.

To me it screams guilty loud and clear. She’s calculated and manipulative, she thought she could plan it so that the trail didn’t follow her.

 

[LittleMy]

The reporting is pretty poor tbh. Hard to know what was actually said when they all differ. The Mail has Letby questioning whether the deaths were all under different circumstances, not the colleague.

 

[gmf21]

Italian nurse acquitted of murder after statistical analysis

Italian nurse Daniela Poggiali was arrested and convicted of murdering two hospital patients in 2014. Her case attracted the attention of Leiden statistician Richard Gill. After his investigation, together with an Italian colleague, Poggiali was acquitted last autumn. Together with fellow...

www.universiteitleiden.nl

The photos of her would suggest terrible things, but she was later acquitted. This whole case sounds bonkers and I can’t find a lot in English about it, if anyone is proficient in Italian perhaps there’s more out there.

 

[Emmelina Ball]

I think the news outlets are reporting differently because the ones who are doing it live are doing it on the spot and trying to get out quick updates whereas the summaries at the end of the day fill in the gaps a bit from those. Must say I can’t believe bbc and the standard left out that line the daily Mail included that is chilling!

It’s also interesting how a lot of people here felt her messaging her colleagues wasn’t wanted (again I feel thats possibly a reflection on the live reporting being concise so maybe comes across short and to the point) but these ones also on daily Mail come across as though she is an appreciated member of the team. It sounds like they all use a group chat to vent out and I can imagine why as it would be a really heavy job that you couldn’t really vent to friends in the same way.

 

[MyWayOrTheHighway]

To me the texts read as LL trying to shift blame and control the narrative. She is saying she can’t look after the second twin because she can’t face the parents so her colleague agrees to take over as designated nurse. So on the record the other nurse is ‘responsible’ for whatever happens to the baby that night. But then she still is tending to the baby that night, she’s just not got a paper trail saying she was their designated nurse.

To me it screams guilty loud and clear. She’s calculated and manipulative, she thought she could plan it so that the trail didn’t follow her.

I hear you on this, it very well could be. I just can’t wrap my head around her going on to kill all of these babies, when people were already getting suspicious at such an early stage?! If she did do this, it seems like it was very obvious that she’d get caught at some point. I know someone else said she might have had such an inflated ego she thought she’d get away with it, which is possible, but I’m not sure I buy that.

 

[bsh3113]

Those full text conversations provide a bit of a different picture. Just shows the importance of detail and context. Is the prosecution cherry picking bits to support their case because they don’t have actual evidence?

 

[dustyrhodes]

I understand people looking up others on Facebook and I get the nosey, inquisitive aspect. Though I'm sure the circumstances arent similar in regard to the peoples pages you view. However I'm still not convinced after reading response to my post about finding LLs behaviour odd in doing so. Given the history of those searches, and revisiting grieving parents pages a year later, is bizarre to me. Even if she is innocent I still find it ghoulish on her part and that is quite telling of some aspect of her personality. But I accept I could be overthinking it.

 

[just_nicole]

Reading the additional information adds an awful lot of context.

 

[Tofino]

Those full text conversations provide a bit of a different picture. Just shows the importance of detail and context. Is the prosecution cherry picking bits to support their case because they don’t have actual evidence?

It’s not the prosecution, it’s the media. They are cherry picking what they want to report. BBC will have still got the fuller versions from the prosecution today.

i don’t actually know if we are still in ‘agreed facts’ of the case.

I’m sure it’s a difficult job but I feel like Mark at Chester Standard has not done a great job today.

 

[dustyrhodes]

One thing I thing really strikes me today is what a truly difficult job neonatal nursing must be. Being present to see and hear people's heartbreak in real time, witnessing that total despair, I cannot begin to imagine.

 

[Tofino]

This bit stood out to me. She’s searched them on Facebook how many times yet has then messaged a colleague asking about them too?

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This has no context either - how does the colleague know how well the family doing? Is it part of their role? Or have they been on Facebook too? And is Lucy referring to a picture on Facebook to say she looks like the mother? Did colleague send a photo? Odd thing to say if you’ve not meant to have seen the baby for 3 months

 

[candyland_]

The BBC reporting of the texts sways me again and makes me think the Facebook searches aren’t so sinister if she is just a nurse who is overly involved in her work.

 

[MrsDimSum]

These conversations have been reported the opposite way by two media outlets? Makes everything even more confusing

 

[avabella]

These conversations have been reported the opposite way by two media outlets? Makes everything even more confusing

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Oh now that's hard to follow.

 

[jackolantern]

It’s going to be a long 6 months if they are going to keep being such inadequacies in the reporting.

 

[friedeggontoast]

I hear you on this, it very well could be. I just can’t wrap my head around her going on to kill all of these babies, when people were already getting suspicious at such an early stage?! If she did do this, it seems like it was very obvious that she’d get caught at some point. I know someone else said she might have had such an inflated ego she thought she’d get away with it, which is possible, but I’m not sure I buy that.

She may have been getting such a thrill from it that she couldn’t help herself. If she is guilty then we are talking about one of the most prolific female child murderers of all time. If she is guilty then she may not have been able to control her compulsion to harm and kill these babies.
I can understand people trying to find a logical explanation for it all but sadly some people are just evil

 

[Tofino]

These conversations have been reported the opposite way by two media outlets? Makes everything even more confusing

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BBC have reported the same way round as the leader but with extra details.

 

[MyWayOrTheHighway]

She may have been getting such a thrill from it that she couldn’t help herself. If she is guilty then we are talking about one of the most prolific female child murderers of all time. If she is guilty then she may not have been able to control her compulsion to harm and kill these babies.
I can understand people trying to find a logical explanation for it all but sadly some people are just evil

Yes that does make sense, if she is guilty, she would have to have strong compulsions / urges to do all of this in the first place.