Lucy Letby Case #64 Guilty

[NeverEnough]

The board of the hospital now running for cover. They were “misled”.

Lucy Letby: Hospital bosses were misled, former chair claims

NHS trust board was told there was 'no criminal activity pointing to any one individual', he says.

www.bbc.co.uk

In truth a HR manager, for any organisation, is probably the most superfluous job. Their entire career path is based on a simple untruth, ie that all employees of an organisation are of equal importance. Like a cafe sales assistant has the same status as a neo-natal consultant! They are taught to see bullying and discrimination everywhere, and will not make any remotely risky decision. They think an “apology” has some sort of superpower. You say you‘re very very sorry and they will become all one big happy team again, because there will be absolutely no residual bitterness right?

In my experience they are often company people who use meaningless phrases like “Compant mindiet”, “diverse outcomes”, and my favourite ”company aims” (like it was ever more than simply “make as much money as possible”). A person who has spent their entire lives and careers within the four walls of an office will flounder when the real world comes knocking. Hence senior doctors had to publicly apologise to a serial killer of babies. Why? Because she was “lovely and kind” apparently. Fuck that. Didn’t they say a similar thing about Ted Bundy once? “Be kind” it’s one of the most dangerous hashtags ever. Didn’t it become a thing when Caroline Flack killed herself? And maybe she wouldn’t have killed herself had she not been facing charges for allegedly smashing her partners head in with a lamp. Really not very kind.

Tiny little helpless babies dead. Families traumatised and ripped apart. A serial killer protected and even promoted. And you can bet that these irrelevant wankers will be busy planning the Christmas party, safe in the knowledge that “lessons will be learned”.

 

[Miscanthus]

The last line of that Times article boiled my blood. ‘Karen Rees, now Moore, could not be reached for comment, but I’d understood to dispute the account given by Dr Brearey’
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This has probably been shared, but from the Mail’s YouTube:

I think her actions speak louder than any account. She continued to put Letby on the shift rota. Nobody made her.

 

[yellowmellow]

Finally caught up after my day out yesterday. Would have caught up quicker if there wasn't loads of people asking questions that we've covered in the previous 63 threads!

Same, it’s taken me 2 days to fully catch up. I think most of my thoughts have already been summarised by others on here.

Trying to think of all the bits and pieces I’ve wanted to comment on throughout but tbh I don’t know where to start!

It’s interesting to hear her being described exactly as we had described her here, beige, vanilla, emotionless etc. and @gigilouxx you had her cards marked to a T!

Will be aiming to follow the sentencing live, assuming we can. I expect nothing less than a WLO from boss man Goss. I have full trust in him. Although I am wondering if we need to file a missing persons report for BNE?! Where is he?! Surely he will be there tomorrow?

Tony Chambers looks like a right creepy Cunt. Wouldn’t surprise me one bit if she shagged him, even tho she comes across like a virgin, I still think she shagged no name so it’s possible!

“Happened to bump into her in a coffee shop” my fucking arse.

As someone else said, I would be so interested to hear what Mel, Sophie and Ashleigh have to say about her and would also be interested to know if they might be there tomorrow. Does anyone think Dr Ravi and Dr Breary will be there too?

I know this isn’t the end of the thread but mostly just want to say a massive thank you to the OGs of this thread for accepting me into your clan a bit later in the game (think I came on here in April or May), for the massive amounts of info and intelligence shared here, the laughs, the comrade. I don’t want to get told off for mass tagging so (in no particular order and hoping I remember everyone) I’ll never forget you lot and this thread. You are all fantastic, supportive, knowledgeable, funny fellas.

My wrong fellas 4eva :
Della, Tofino, Mmmbop, Gigi, A mega pint, Student gossip, Docmum, Littlemy, Blueyfan, Take me to your buffet, Mrs Brooks, Mrs Darcy, Effing dust , Daisydunn, I deleted but I’m back again, Uncle jammy, Slingo, Secret Brillo pad, Amsmall, Amelia Pevensie, Well this is interesting, F1 grid, Notanad, Copacapybara, Lotus biscoff, Futtrit, bored of the gram, ok go lightly, pixieroo, just here for the tittle, skinny, follow the dolphin, raspberry juice, snoopy snooper, ranny rart, Caledonian princess, kata, London lady, boxatrix, jedwad, tay65, dose of reality, cunning linguist, far win, bnbn, jackssack

Special mention to roving reporters :
Nosycowmoo
O’Lee

Bring on tomorrow and I know it won’t happen but I’m hoping with every bone in my body that she is dragged up from her cell for sentencing. I hope one way or another she ends up hearing the victim statements and everything Gossy has to say. I full believe he and BM thought she was as guilty as we knew all along.

 

[raspberryjuice]

I’m really struggling with all this today. I know she’s guilty, I’ve thought she was guilty from the start, but until Friday we discussed it her and it was just our opinions but now it’s out there in the media it’s real and I don’t want to believe it real, I don’t want to believe someone could do something so cruel. The narrative has switched from “accused of murdering” to “she murdered them” but my brain can’t seem to accept it, it’s like nope not real it didn’t happen because I just can’t comprehend how evil she is, and that there is likely to be more that comes to light. Sorry for the ramblings - just thinking out loud

This is exactly where I’m at. It’s suddenly real, it’s everywhere. We’ve heard the parents voices now, we’ve seen the consultants speaking and it’s really fucking real. She did this, she’s pure evil to the core. The trial has consumed my life for the past 10 months, I’ve talked endlessly about why I believed she was 100% guilty, but the verdict has still floored me. I’ve been really emotional all weekend about it. It’s just horrible.

 

[gimmethattea]

Mom of Baby C reminding everyone that it wasn't just enough to harm and kill these babies, she was the one making these memory boxes, trying to taint the last moments of these beautiful little ones.

 

[MmmB777]

That’s what happened with that nurse in America though wasn’t it? They all had suspicions he was causing patient deaths but instead of doing something about it, they’d get rid of him and he just got a job at another hospital and did it there. No doubt if the consultants hadn’t had continued to push on we’d have had the same here. Not even worth thinking about is it

The toxicology guy that discovered the poisoning told the hospital explicitly - you have a murderer on your ward. He tried to go through the correct avenues and was ignored. I’ve chatted with him via email, this case has brought it all up again. It has never left him. The hospital didn’t do anything until their hand was absolutely forced. So awful.

I’ve had a few drinks but I’ve lit the candles. Will show you all in a bit xx

 

[Tofino]

We had a beautiful last day of our holiday yesterday. Bike ride in the Galloway Forest followed by a hour on the most beautiful beach (Mossyard). I was able to switch off from these horrendous crimes a lot more than Fri / Sat which honestly felt very heavy days.

The Scottish weather has been unbelievable to us this week. Heading home today. About 4hrs plus stops so think I’m going to miss following the sentencing live I’m also already 20 pages behind on this thread so god help me later!

Whole life order must be coming, don’t let us down Boss man Goss! Can’t wait to see that notification come through, it can’t come soon enough.

love to all for what will probably be another emotional and heavy day thinking of the parents families and all the beautiful babies. All 17 of them. We still see you baby H, baby J, baby K, baby Q even if some of the jurors didn’t. I’m so sad their families will not get the chance to be heard today

 

[bluefootedbooby]

From BBC News:
"Since [baby D] passed away I live behind my own shadow... I had a car accident and I crashed into a wall."

"I considered ending it all. I couldn't continue... I was hoping that so hard that if i went to the other side I would see my daughter. My prayers have given me the courage to stay."

That poor mother these parents have been so strong.

 

[Thegirlwhouk]

BM. You are forgiven. For everything.

You are quite right, there is absolutely nothing to add. I wonder how much he enjoyed saying these words after the difficult job of defending her.

 

[jackssack]

Talking of hospital roles, can someone explain the high up roles and the hierarchy? Like the medical director, hospital execs, trust execs, boards etc? And who was who?

Nope. Been nursing 14 years and still have no idea how it works or what they even do. They work in an office and get paid ££££ for making shit decisions. Then they invented special manager jobs for their mates.

 

[FastAndTheCurious7]

Not sure this has been mentioned already so apologies if I’m repeating, but I see Karen Rees has come forward and basically tried to throw Dr Ravi and Dr Brearey under the bus

 

[docmum]

A registrar, or SpR, can be training or locum. Locum is employed by the trust and wouldn’t rotate. A training SpR will rotate around trusts in a chosen speciality area every 6-12 months dependent on speciality and programme area. To be an SpR, on your first day of it you will be very minimum 4 years qualified and have passed postgraduate exams in that speciality. You are the most experienced medic in the absence of the consultant and usually the most senior at night/weekends. Most programmes require 4-5 years of SpR experience before you are deemed to have had enough training to be a consultant. At this time, the Royal College of your speciality will look at your training portfolio and if they are satisfied, they will issue a certificate of completion of training - this means you are classed as a consultant, ie an independent physician.
Consultants will liaise and trust the spr who is at the hospital whilst often they are contactable from home or within the building but not actively on the shop floor. Registrars would not be privy to information discussed between consultants regarding the non clinical side of the department, including investigations about staff members.

 

[What's your point]

I want to know more about the relationship between letbys lover and his colleagues and also the executives! I wonder what part he played in protecting her and making sure the allegations went no further (other than messaging her with info)! now I don’t for a second think he knew what was going on and he was blinded by her. But he wanted to support her even after she had been moved to admin duties (we have seen from their messages). Just feel’s like there is a big chunk that is missing in all this? He must have heard the rumours on the unit (he did because he warned her), and noted the correlation himself between her presence and the collapses. Was he not friends with any of the 7 who fought to get her off the ward and criminally investigated ? Perhaps, they left him out of the fold because they knew he couldn’t be trusted and didn’t respect him. The whole thing is bizarre.

Yeh I am really curious about this as well. Was he blindsided by her and believed the Consultants were ganging up on her? How many of the meetings was he present for and how much was he made aware of that he passed on?

I wonder if some of what he was telling here were the grounds for her bullying complaint against the Consultants.

I don't think he should be protected I really don't.

 

[LittleMy]

Mystery married doctor was so devoted to LL, some of his last interactions with her:

“
LL: Do I need to be worried about what Dr Gibbs was asking?
Doc. No. He was asking to make sure that normal procedures were being carried out. What exactly did he ask?

LL: I walked into equipment room, he was asking Mary who was present in room and how quickly someone had gone to him as I wasn't in the room. He asked who was there, I said I had popped out of room but Mary was in room and Minna at the desk.

Doc: All he was doing was checking that there wasn't a delay and that a room had been left empty. Was he HDU level because of uvc? There is nothing to worry about.

LL: Ok. Was worried because I wasn't with him at time, but Mary was in room and Minna outside, I had [designated baby who was not Child Q] in 1. ITU because of uvc

Doc: You can't be with two babies in different nurseries at the same time, let alone predict when they're going to crash.

LL: I know, and I didn't leave him on his own. They both knew I was leaving the room. Feel better now

Doc: Nobody has accused you of neglecting a baby or causing a deterioration.

LL: I know. Just worry I haven't done enough

Doc: How?

LL: We've lost 2 babies I was caring for and now this happened today. Makes you think 'am I missing something/good enough'

Doc: Lucy, if anyone knows how hard you've worked over the last three days it's me. The standard of care delivered is tertiary nicu level. if *anybody* says anything to you about not being good enough or performing adequately I want you to promise me that you'll give my details to provide a statement. I don't care who it is and I don't care if I've left the trust. Promise?

LL: Well, I sincerely hope I won't ever be needing a statement but thank you, I promise

Doc: And I don't either. You'll know that the coch nicu mortality rate is a bit higher than the network average. It makes people (consultants) look at trends and patterns. That may have been why Dr G came to ask. As for the self-doubt - you asked me this morning did I dream because I was worried about having missed something? No, and I don't think you did either. In fact for [another baby] you knew he was unwell and flagged it up immediately. I don't know the beginning of the [a separate baby] story because I arrived after the bleep. You didn't miss anything that I would expect an experienced itu trained nurse to spot. From a resus point of view you were flawless. It's why I am so happy to work with you. You don't flap, you give perfectly sensible suggestions and things run seamlessly. (You must be good Rackham said so (seldom praises)). No more doubt - it's not you, it's the babies. I don't know what happened to [Child O] and [Child P], and accept that the pm may not give any useful answers. I do wonder if they may have had adenovirus - it's terrible in neonates / perinates. [Child Q] is different. His behaviour is more bacterial (tachy, temp, reduced uo) I wouldn't be surprised if his bc comes back positive.

LL: Thanks, really appreciate you saying that. So relieved that it's you who has been there throughout.

Sun Jun 26th

00.12am
Doc: It's true. You are one of a few nurses across the region (I’ve worked pretty much everywhere) that I would trust with my own children. If you're worried - I'm worried. You should do the APNP course, you'd be excellent. (In a second reference to his children he adds) They’re possibly a bit too big now.
LL: Don't know what to say Thank you.
Doc: Self-doubt finished?
LL: I think so, thank you ++ “

LL knew she had murdered these babies so it must have thrilled her to have this doctor who she fancied, on her side and feeding her info.

How does he feel now, knowing her guilt? She clearly still has some kind of feelings for him as she got emotional in court when he testified.

I know he likely had no idea that it was her, but that comment, “it’s not you, it’s the babies” always makes me feel sick to my stomach.

 

[FastAndTheCurious7]

I’m really struggling with all this today. I know she’s guilty, I’ve thought she was guilty from the start, but until Friday we discussed it her and it was just our opinions but now it’s out there in the media it’s real and I don’t want to believe it real, I don’t want to believe someone could do something so cruel. The narrative has switched from “accused of murdering” to “she murdered them” but my brain can’t seem to accept it, it’s like nope not real it didn’t happen because I just can’t comprehend how evil she is, and that there is likely to be more that comes to light. Sorry for the ramblings - just thinking out loud

 

[Christina Yang's Shoe]

"There is no sentence that will ever compare to the excruciating agony you have caused...you killed them on purpose, you are evil, you did this."
- Baby C's Mummy.

So so brave

 

[Lucyxxxx]

Baby C once again called fiesty.

 

[jackssack]

Finally caught up after my day out yesterday. Would have caught up quicker if there wasn't loads of people asking questions that we've covered in the previous 63 threads!

I never noticed before how she has fairy lights around her bed. Imagine Noname rocking up all giddy then walking into an 8 year olds bedroom

I'm working this afternoon, hoping that this hasn't impacted our parents too much and they can still trust us with their precious babies.

 

[LittleMy]

Wish BBC news would stop showing pics of her ugly grinning mug

The parents are so brave
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10:31am

The mother of Child D has come forward to read out a statement in court, as families wipe away tears in the public gallery.
"Lucy Letby had a wicked sense of entitlement - you have failed our plans we had for [Child D]. You are clearly disconnected of god.
"After today I hope to be free of this limbo state.
"My heart broke into a million pieces" when Child D passed.
"Those lives were not yours to take"
"I cannot forgive you".
The mother was offered the chance for Child D to be an organ donor. A baby needed a heart. A post-mortem was required as the death was unexplained, and Child D could not be a heart donor. She said this broke her heart.
"Our family cleared all traces of baby stuff from the house."
Child D's bedroom door remained closed for many months. Her ashes were buried on her due date.
She said she felt "painfully empty" and wanted to be "her mum in every way", and felt guilty, wondering if she had "failed her daughter".
The mother said she got clued up on medical terms and requested information from the hospital after Child D died. "Things just didn't add up".
The mother said Letby's arrest was "something else to overcome".
She said she became "obsessed" and "thank God police started their investigation".
She says she sometimes struggles with grief and depression, and has lost her confidence as a friend, a mother and a wife.
She says she feels she has lost so many years of her life, and "many struggles to overcome", crying every day, having to take time off work. She says she was "mentally exhausted" and "very lonely".
She says she found comfort and the courage from her prayers to carry on. Her husband found the trial "harder" than her.
The mother found giving evidence in court "overwhelming" and "invasive".
She says she found "some comfort" in getting answers and meeting other families.
"We wanted justice for [Child D] and that day has come."

 

[LittleMy]

Yesh....soz Dawn, thanks for standing by me and all that, but Doc NN is my bestie now

I wonder if it’s Dawned on her yet

Sorry that was shit ahaha