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no fuckin parent was going in there I used to intercept them at the door
Wellthisisinteresting
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“ITS NOT YOU ITS THE BABIES”
You absolute piece of shite Dr NN !!!
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“ITS NOT YOU ITS THE BABIES”
You absolute piece of shite Dr NN !!!
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Takemetoyourbuffet
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Yeah Harvey has fucked off to the south of France. I discovered yesterday a close friend of mine has known him since they were a kid. Said they always thought he was an arrogant twat with a mutton dressed as lamb wife.Karen Rees is now Karen Moore. I wonder if that’s a name change because of marriage/divorce or whether she’s trying to hide. One of them, might be Harvey, has moved to France. I think the parents are right to be concerned that they won’t be compelled legally in the inquiry. Seeing as the extent they went to in order to hide what they’ve done is looking rather extensive
craig84
Active member
This article says that police have found 30 more babies that had unexplained collapses at the COCH while Letby was on duty 
MarshMallowMonster
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Mystery married doctor was so devoted to LL, some of his last interactions with her:
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LL: Do I need to be worried about what Dr Gibbs was asking?
Doc. No. He was asking to make sure that normal procedures were being carried out. What exactly did he ask?
LL: I walked into equipment room, he was asking Mary who was present in room and how quickly someone had gone to him as I wasn't in the room. He asked who was there, I said I had popped out of room but Mary was in room and Minna at the desk.
Doc: All he was doing was checking that there wasn't a delay and that a room had been left empty. Was he HDU level because of uvc? There is nothing to worry about.
LL: Ok. Was worried because I wasn't with him at time, but Mary was in room and Minna outside, I had [designated baby who was not Child Q] in 1. ITU because of uvc
Doc: You can't be with two babies in different nurseries at the same time, let alone predict when they're going to crash.
LL: I know, and I didn't leave him on his own. They both knew I was leaving the room. Feel better now
Doc: Nobody has accused you of neglecting a baby or causing a deterioration.
LL: I know. Just worry I haven't done enough
Doc: How?
LL: We've lost 2 babies I was caring for and now this happened today. Makes you think 'am I missing something/good enough'
Doc: Lucy, if anyone knows how hard you've worked over the last three days it's me. The standard of care delivered is tertiary nicu level. if *anybody* says anything to you about not being good enough or performing adequately I want you to promise me that you'll give my details to provide a statement. I don't care who it is and I don't care if I've left the trust. Promise?
LL: Well, I sincerely hope I won't ever be needing a statement but thank you, I promise
Doc: And I don't either. You'll know that the coch nicu mortality rate is a bit higher than the network average. It makes people (consultants) look at trends and patterns. That may have been why Dr G came to ask. As for the self-doubt - you asked me this morning did I dream because I was worried about having missed something? No, and I don't think you did either. In fact for [another baby] you knew he was unwell and flagged it up immediately. I don't know the beginning of the [a separate baby] story because I arrived after the bleep. You didn't miss anything that I would expect an experienced itu trained nurse to spot. From a resus point of view you were flawless. It's why I am so happy to work with you. You don't flap, you give perfectly sensible suggestions and things run seamlessly. (You must be good Rackham said so (seldom praises)). No more doubt - it's not you, it's the babies. I don't know what happened to [Child O] and [Child P], and accept that the pm may not give any useful answers. I do wonder if they may have had adenovirus - it's terrible in neonates / perinates. [Child Q] is different. His behaviour is more bacterial (tachy, temp, reduced uo) I wouldn't be surprised if his bc comes back positive.
LL: Thanks, really appreciate you saying that. So relieved that it's you who has been there throughout.
Sun Jun 26th
00.12am
Doc: It's true. You are one of a few nurses across the region (I’ve worked pretty much everywhere) that I would trust with my own children. If you're worried - I'm worried. You should do the APNP course, you'd be excellent. (In a second reference to his children he adds) They’re possibly a bit too big now.
LL: Don't know what to say Thank you.
Doc: Self-doubt finished?
LL: I think so, thank you ++ “
LL knew she had murdered these babies so it must have thrilled her to have this doctor who she fancied, on her side and feeding her info.
How does he feel now, knowing her guilt? She clearly still has some kind of feelings for him as she got emotional in court when he testified.
“
LL: Do I need to be worried about what Dr Gibbs was asking?
Doc. No. He was asking to make sure that normal procedures were being carried out. What exactly did he ask?
LL: I walked into equipment room, he was asking Mary who was present in room and how quickly someone had gone to him as I wasn't in the room. He asked who was there, I said I had popped out of room but Mary was in room and Minna at the desk.
Doc: All he was doing was checking that there wasn't a delay and that a room had been left empty. Was he HDU level because of uvc? There is nothing to worry about.
LL: Ok. Was worried because I wasn't with him at time, but Mary was in room and Minna outside, I had [designated baby who was not Child Q] in 1. ITU because of uvc
Doc: You can't be with two babies in different nurseries at the same time, let alone predict when they're going to crash.
LL: I know, and I didn't leave him on his own. They both knew I was leaving the room. Feel better now
Doc: Nobody has accused you of neglecting a baby or causing a deterioration.
LL: I know. Just worry I haven't done enough
Doc: How?
LL: We've lost 2 babies I was caring for and now this happened today. Makes you think 'am I missing something/good enough'
Doc: Lucy, if anyone knows how hard you've worked over the last three days it's me. The standard of care delivered is tertiary nicu level. if *anybody* says anything to you about not being good enough or performing adequately I want you to promise me that you'll give my details to provide a statement. I don't care who it is and I don't care if I've left the trust. Promise?
LL: Well, I sincerely hope I won't ever be needing a statement but thank you, I promise
Doc: And I don't either. You'll know that the coch nicu mortality rate is a bit higher than the network average. It makes people (consultants) look at trends and patterns. That may have been why Dr G came to ask. As for the self-doubt - you asked me this morning did I dream because I was worried about having missed something? No, and I don't think you did either. In fact for [another baby] you knew he was unwell and flagged it up immediately. I don't know the beginning of the [a separate baby] story because I arrived after the bleep. You didn't miss anything that I would expect an experienced itu trained nurse to spot. From a resus point of view you were flawless. It's why I am so happy to work with you. You don't flap, you give perfectly sensible suggestions and things run seamlessly. (You must be good Rackham said so (seldom praises)). No more doubt - it's not you, it's the babies. I don't know what happened to [Child O] and [Child P], and accept that the pm may not give any useful answers. I do wonder if they may have had adenovirus - it's terrible in neonates / perinates. [Child Q] is different. His behaviour is more bacterial (tachy, temp, reduced uo) I wouldn't be surprised if his bc comes back positive.
LL: Thanks, really appreciate you saying that. So relieved that it's you who has been there throughout.
Sun Jun 26th
00.12am
Doc: It's true. You are one of a few nurses across the region (I’ve worked pretty much everywhere) that I would trust with my own children. If you're worried - I'm worried. You should do the APNP course, you'd be excellent. (In a second reference to his children he adds) They’re possibly a bit too big now.
LL: Don't know what to say Thank you.
Doc: Self-doubt finished?
LL: I think so, thank you ++ “
LL knew she had murdered these babies so it must have thrilled her to have this doctor who she fancied, on her side and feeding her info.
How does he feel now, knowing her guilt? She clearly still has some kind of feelings for him as she got emotional in court when he testified.
DellaC
VIP Member
Yes they were named in court I believe.
To be honest if it was my baby I wouldn't want people naming them. Particularly on here and Reddit, Facebook and in the papers. We already know every detail about them, let them have their privacy.
Particularly those who are alive
And you may think this is cold of me but it's quite the opposite. I don't want to know their names. The details of them have swam around my head and heart for all these months, I'm heartbroken for them and I think knowing their names will just cut that bit deeper.
We don't need to know everything.
PositivelyVonnegutesque
Active member
Talking about her knee surgery when she's getting in the police car has me absolutely fuming. You're willing to inflict agony on babies but your ickle knee hurts getting in a car. Diddums.
The soft toys in her bed as well. It just makes me think of the babies who won't get to cuddle their teddies because of her. And the comfort blanket. God forbid she be denied any comfort when she's taken away any comfort the families will ever feel.
I know they're small examples of her self-centred, sociopathic nature but sometimes it's the small details that stay with you. She just makes me feel sick and I'm sorry for the morbid post but I can't get it out of my head. This will stay with a lot of people for a really long time - even those who aren't directly impacted but have had their trust in public services eroded.
The soft toys in her bed as well. It just makes me think of the babies who won't get to cuddle their teddies because of her. And the comfort blanket. God forbid she be denied any comfort when she's taken away any comfort the families will ever feel.
I know they're small examples of her self-centred, sociopathic nature but sometimes it's the small details that stay with you. She just makes me feel sick and I'm sorry for the morbid post but I can't get it out of my head. This will stay with a lot of people for a really long time - even those who aren't directly impacted but have had their trust in public services eroded.
I’ve just read sky news. She’s apparently taking legal action because apparently when Dr B asked her if she’d take responsibility if something happened & she said yes is not true also. She’s a lying fucking bitch. I hope to god she gets her karma.
Those drs have evidence they were shut down at every opportunity. I hope Dr B wipes the floor with her if anything does go legal
elderflowerrose
Chatty Member
I don’t think it can be anything other than a whole life order
Miscanthus
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Just reading the Sunday Times report.
Ian Harvey was a respected orthopaedic surgeon before moving to management. Tony Chambers was a trained nurse, as was Karen Rees. They did everything they could to prevent this going to the police and lied to consultants.
TEN staff were interviewed as a result of Ll's bullying complaint and some had threatened to go to the police themselves if she was allowed back on the ward. They were overruled.
I still can't find out the reason why Chambers finally agreed to get the police in.
2016
Just before Xmas
Both LL's parents were present for a senior management meeting where she was demanding an apology for bullying and harassment.
Chambers apologised on behalf of hospital trust.
2017
March 1 - the paediatricians apologised
March 27 - Brearey again said it was time to get in the police
May 2 - finally Chambers contacted the police
July 3 - LL arrested
2018
August
Harvey retired
Sept
Chambers resigned
2020
Nov - LL charged with murders and attempted murders
Dr Brearey deserves national recognition for persevering to get LL investigated. He spent so much of his own time looking into this. He never gave up.
I can’t believe this has happened again under his watch. I’m gobsmacked he was head of NHS when this happened with Allitt. The irony he wrote to all nhs trusts to warn them about making sure this doesn’t happen again, yet here we are 30 years later and it’s happened at the trust he was chairman of!
He’s saying he was misled by the execs with reports and investigations. I don’t know how much involvement the board can have with investigations but if he could, he should have taken matters into his own hands.
DellaC
VIP Member
I'd believe Dr Breary et al over her any day of the week. She's just pissy that after all these years of getting away with it she's finally getting her comeuppance and being exposed for the rancid gutter rat that she is.
There's blood on her hands and no amount of bullshit will change that.
Windowtothewall
Chatty Member
I thought about it because I experienced some of this growing up - so wondered if it was the same for LL. [*TRIGGER WARNING: CHILDHOOD EMOTIONAL ABUSE*}
I too was an only child and my mother was obsessed with me. Hard to explain unless you've experienced it, but ever since I was little I felt responsible for her happiness. She too tried to infantilise me - any sign I was becoming an adult woman sent her into a crisis. I would get terrible beatings if i even spoke to a boy, and she would get upset if I left her for even an hour to be with my friends. She got upset when I wanted to get rid of Disney posters and replace them with boy band ones. Wouldn't let me even close my bedroom door as a teenager and would regularly come and watch me sleep (as creepy as it sounds). It wasn't worth fighting her so I just pretended to be what she needed, but constantly planning how to get the fuck out. We were wealthy and everyone always commented how close we were as a family and how lucky I was to have such an adoring mum. Did really well at school (though very introverted and nerdy), and would have come across perfectly normal to everyone. But I was miserable. The lack of control over my own life was suffocating and i occasionally self harmed. I imagine LL was the type who preferred to harm others but for me harming myself was an act of rebellion and also feeling some control of my body. It wasn't till I was much older that I realised it was a type of abuse, so insidious but my mum's love was about controlling me rather than genuinely caring about me.
Fortunately for me, my dad recognised things were wrong, and encouraged my independence and supported me leaving home at 18 for the UK. Unlike LL who's dad seems equally over invested in her life. It's been 20 years and I never went back home again. I had hoped my mum would adapt to my new life but she never has, so I am very low contact with her. It felt like leaving a prison but I know a lot of people back home thought I was ungrateful and an awful daughter, that's their problem. My life is so different and so much better than I ever thought it would be and I am grateful every day that I chose my own happiness over my family's.
However, with LL - I keep thinking she must have been born wrong (with no empathy) because at no point did I ever feel like hurting anyone else to gain control, just myself. And she doesn't feel any responsibility to change her own life and circumstances like I did - it's just a constant stream of blaming everyone else. But I do think her family life may not have been as perfect as friends and neighbours thought! I noticed a lot of similar red flags in her parent's behaviour as I did with my own. None of which explain and excuse the fact she's a monster and she could have just got therapy the moment she realised she wanted to harm infants.
gigilouxx
VIP Member
For me, she doesn’t deserve to choose whether she dies or lives, her victims never got a choice
DellaC
VIP Member
Quite simply and forgive my potty mouth on a Sunday morning, they're the set of cunts that allowed this to happen. They turned their backs on Doctors who were ask8ng for help, they put their own needs before the babies, they covered up, lied, backed a murderer and each of them have blood on their hands.
They are, simply put: SERIAL KILLER ASSISTANTS.
