Lucy Letby Case #43

[Wellthisisinteresting]

Turkish delight tastes like potpourri
And the TEXTURE …

 

[SnoopySnooper86]

I remember proper lolling over a mumsnet thread where the nanny had eaten all of the posters £100 truffles…

We are clearly a lower chocolate class over here, gonna throw it out there but you can’t beat a kitkat chunky.

 

[kabukigirl]

She actually said ‘several’ baby deaths at her placement in LWH.

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and in the message to JJK she says she was given another dying baby to help her ‘get over’ the imagine of the one she had just lost.

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Interesting. They obviously think something is sus about her time at Liverpool then, not necessarily that she murked a baby, but potentially a catalyst event - and I 100% think she’s like a pedalo getting a job in a school to gain access to kids, and that she has become a neonatal nurse to get access to vulnerable babies - I think she knew she only had a limited window of opportunity from when she first killed someone and that is why her timeline of events is just so bleeping prolific! And why she is bleeping head gone by O&P - if it was so disgusting and tragic, it’s almost farcical.

 

[SnoopySnooper86]

Turkish delight tastes like potpourri
And the TEXTURE …

It’s like you’ve taken a spritz of the glade air freshener to the throat, my boyfriend likes it & I sit there like, you dirty b!

 

[Copacapybara]

Another to add to the newbie onslaught!

I am not ginger but pretend to be, I kinda miss the heady thrill of using Freddos as social currency, and I don’t go to Matalan. However my dad loves it and buys about a million pairs of jeans there every 2 years as his sole shopping escapade so frI think I’ve done pretty well to reach such an advanced age.

I always strongly suspected she was guilty. As well as the actual dodgy patterns she seemed so eerily determined to shove everyone under the bus, and every quote from her seemed weirdly manipulative and self-serving. I honestly don’t think she has any bleeping conscience to speak of.

It sounds overly simple and hard to understand but in ways I suspect she just hated the babies. She seems to resent anyone else getting praise and being sidelined, so I can well imagine her reaction to being surrounded by vulnerable critters who needed constant care- who were the centre of attention.

 

[AllieBee]

Hello all, newbie here, but I’ve been following from the outside for months. I’m so glad to finally be in.
I’m not a ginge, and I don’t shop at matalan, I do love a Turkish delight though!

I’ve been really backwards and forewords throughout this trial, I started off NG, then G, then back to NG during the defence opening statements, I was firmly back to G once LL took the stand.
I did have a bit of a wobble last week but I’m still camp G.

The main reason for my wobble was when it came out that DE has been criticised previously on an expert statement, my thought process being, any previous criticism is obviously damning, so why did the prosecution not try and find and an expert that hasn’t been professionally embarrassed or criticised, unless he was their only option, I am skeptical that experts witnesses have been known to result in miscarriages of justice in the past.

Then I’ve also thought, what if she has murdered babies, but not all of them (not that that makes it any better) but the fact she has murdered babies is going to mean she’s going to be convicted of murdering babies when she hasn’t.

Weighing everything up in my mind, I think she’s guilty of all, and unfortunately I think she’s guilty of more, and that the only reason she wasn’t caught earlier is because it was a build up that got worse over time. Obviously we’ll probably never know what’s driven her to it, but I think she only ever joined the nursing profession to target babies, I just can’t comprehend that someone would just one day start doing it out of the blue.

Looking at some of the arguments, she’s a scapegoat, it’s a witch hunt, sub optimal care etc, which I don’t agree with, but I also don’t think everything is black and white, sub optimal care for example can co exist alongside a baby murderer, I really don’t think it’s one or the other. I really don’t think she’s a scapegoat either, although I do think she’s a good reason to shift some blame now, rather than originally.

I really do feel sorry for everyone involved, apart from LL of course, the parents, the babies, the survivors. I worry that the staff at COCH are going to be forgotten about, it’s going to be so hard for them, professionally, to trust their colleagues. Likewise, the parents and then right down to us in the wider public, how do you get that trust back with healthcare professionals. Their are so many affected that a whole life order is really the only sensible option to feel even the slightest sense of justice.

The parents have had this case hanging over them for so many years that I wonder how have they managed to grieve for the babies they’ve lost, and For those that survived, how their lives have been changed forever, at the hands of one evil person.

Just one thing I’m wondering, when the jury go out to deliberate, do you think they’ll start with agreeing on baby A and work from there, or start from the very obvious insulin cases, I’ve never done jury duty So no idea if it has to be done in order of charges. I think she’ll get guilty on all of the jury can start on the insulin cases.

I also have to say, both the prosecution and defence have done brilliant jobs, and I really can’t see any grounds of appeal so BM gets a round of applause from me for that, despite the awful insensitivity on his part,it’s awful that the parents have had to listen to that, but I’m sure the prosecution, and witness care unit will have sensitivity explained this to the parents.


Here’s to a whole life order!

I agree with your point about sub optimal.care co existing alongside a murderer. To my mind it just made it easier for Letby to murder babies and get away with it for so long. In a more efficient and well run unit, she would have been caught so much quicker.

But Goss the Boss is on it looking back over todays summing up, what a guy!

 

[DellaC]

I remember proper lolling over a mumsnet thread where the nanny had eaten all of the posters £100 truffles…

We are clearly a lower chocolate class over here, gonna throw it out there but you can’t beat a kitkat chunky.

This Mumsnet sounds like a very strange place....expensive truffles and rooster washing goblets amongst the many posts about labiaplasty and stretch marks.

Not for me I'm afraid.

And neither are bleeping kitkat chunkys! It's a biscuit, an accompaniment to a cuppa, not a chocolate bar. It's banned from the list.

Oh and its Nestle

 

[MmmB777]

This Mumsnet sounds like a very strange place....expensive truffles and rooster washing goblets amongst the many posts about labiaplasty and stretch marks.

Not for me I'm afraid.

And neither are bleeping kitkat chunkys! It's a biscuit, an accompaniment to a cuppa, not a chocolate bar. It's banned from the list.

Oh and its Nestle

What do you have then @DellaC ? I know you’re a secret M&S posh cow really even though you act like a woman of the people xx

 

[DellaC]

What do you have then @DellaC ? I know you’re a secret M&S posh cow really even though you act like a woman of the people xx

Errr well I'm partial to a bleeping flake as it happens.

And Marksies is cheaper than Asda so

 

[SnoopySnooper86]

This Mumsnet sounds like a very strange place....expensive truffles and rooster washing goblets amongst the many posts about labiaplasty and stretch marks.

Not for me I'm afraid.

And neither are bleeping kitkat chunkys! It's a biscuit, an accompaniment to a cuppa, not a chocolate bar. It's banned from the list.

Oh and its Nestle

Mumsnet lurking is my guilty pleasure… rooster washing goblet has just done me in.

 

[Futtrit]

This Mumsnet sounds like a very strange place....expensive truffles and rooster washing goblets amongst the many posts about labiaplasty and stretch marks.

Not for me I'm afraid.

And neither are bleeping kitkat chunkys! It's a biscuit, an accompaniment to a cuppa, not a chocolate bar. It's banned from the list.

Oh and its Nestle

BNE's rooster washing goblet....

 

[Tamborino]

This Mumsnet sounds like a very strange place....expensive truffles and rooster washing goblets amongst the many posts about labiaplasty and stretch marks.

Not for me I'm afraid.

And neither are bleeping kitkat chunkys! It's a biscuit, an accompaniment to a cuppa, not a chocolate bar. It's banned from the list.

Oh and its Nestle

Is a Jaffa Cake a biscuit or a Cake

 

[Tofino]

Another to add to the newbie onslaught!

I am not ginger but pretend to be, I kinda miss the heady thrill of using Freddos as social currency, and I don’t go to Matalan. However my dad loves it and buys about a million pairs of jeans there every 2 years as his sole shopping escapade so frI think I’ve done pretty well to reach such an advanced age.

I always strongly suspected she was guilty. As well as the actual dodgy patterns she seemed so eerily determined to shove everyone under the bus, and every quote from her seemed weirdly manipulative and self-serving. I honestly don’t think she has any bleeping conscience to speak of.

It sounds overly simple and hard to understand but in ways I suspect she just hated the babies. She seems to resent anyone else getting praise and being sidelined, so I can well imagine her reaction to being surrounded by vulnerable critters who needed constant care- who were the centre of attention.

I LOVE capybaras!!

 

[Anelecin]

oh no how worrying for you. I’ll put behind spoiler as it’s off topic but I went through something similar.

Spoiler

My son wasn’t hospitalised (although GP did tell me later he was close) but everything else you described was just like my son and he had undiagnosed tongue tie for 4 weeks then the first procedure wasn’t done properly so he had his second at 7-8 weeks. By then my supply was too low. He would fall asleep because he was so exhausted from ineffective feeding. Even the head of the feeding team at the hospital missed his tongue tie !!

He needed top up feeds. I tried expressing to improve my supply but as a solo mum it became too much so I combi fed with formula instead. But I had a friend who went through something similar and she got her supply back by expressing. But with a hospital grade pump (think that is where I went wrong).

@Caledonianprincess Little one and I had the same as @Tofino and went to mixed feeding too. It was too late to fix the tongue-tie in our NHS trust though, luckily a hospital about an hour away was willing to do it. She started to pick up as soon as I started to supplement with formula and really rallied as soon as it was sorted.
My heart goes to you as I know it is so worrying, like they are fading.
Sending you both huge cuddles and wishes for it to be resolved, whatever the cause, very very soon

 

[DellaC]

Is a Jaffa Cake a biscuit or a Cake

No idea. But I won't be putting one in my mouth

 

[Futtrit]

Turkish delight tastes like potpourri
And the TEXTURE …

Indeed. Also when something is flavoured with rosewater. Or fresh coriander.

 

[Daisydunn15]

The whole lot of you are in there together as far as I'm concerned....

Peppermint Aero however.....

Are you suggesting a mint aero is the best chocolate? Cos that's a bold statement, like more bold than swastika courtyard.

 

[Cheddar Chalpupa]

Are you suggesting a mint aero is the best chocolate? Cos that's a bold statement, like more bold than swastika courtyard.

It's a very wrong statement too.

Orange Aeros are the best - and I store them in the freezer. Yeah you heard me the FREEZER.

 

[Futtrit]

Are you suggesting a mint aero is the best chocolate? Cos that's a bold statement, like more bold than swastika courtyard.

Not the best but It's certainly better than turdish delight....

 

[LittleMy]

Is a Jaffa Cake a biscuit or a Cake

It’s a bloody cake. Clue is in the name