Lucy Letby Case #41

[Futtrit]

10:50am

He says Letby helped a nurse with sterilisation.

He asks when was she supposed to have done what she was alleged to have done, and next to Dr Harkness and Melanie Taylor.

He says there is "nothing to support" that Letby got a syringe and injected some air.

He says "no-one could access" the lines without opening the incubator first.

 

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2:48pm

He says they do show someone who hangs on to paper "compulsively".

He refers to the shredder, and what Letby didn't shred.

He says if Letby had thought there would be a police investigation - as written on one of her notes - she would have shredded the handover notes.

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2:51pm

Mr Myers refers to the subject of 'experts'.

He says the prosecution medical evidence is 'central' to their case.

He says it is crucial to show the jury that there is no medical cause for the collapses of babies, and that substandard medical performance is ruled out, and that the alleged harmful acts took place.

 

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3:55pm

Mr Myers refers to the phone call at 9.11pm, and the defence say they don't doubt Child E's mother was distressed at that time.

The defence suggest the details from the later phone call were moved to the earlier call, something which is not accepted by either parent.

Mr Myers says Child E's mother spoke to the midwife, Susan Brooks, which was agreed evidence.

The midwife notes: 'Care since 2000hrs...[Child E's mother] asked me to let her know of any contact overnight from NNU as one of the twins- had deteriorated slightly...'

Mr Myers says this is the best, and maybe only, independent guide, for the event, and if the situation was more serious, it would have been noted as such.

 

[thaliamay]

Wasn't she 15?
I see your point and would probably be swayed in deliberation. It does give hope that the jury will see Letbys true colours as clear as day.

My bad, she's 18 now is what I meant

 

[Treesy19]

Ok, it’s time I asked, 41 threads in. What does BIB mean that a few people include in their posts?

 

[xoxo GG]

Ok, it’s time I asked, 41 threads in. What does BIB mean that a few people include in their posts?

bit in bold

 

[Ray_of_Sunshine]

It can be quiet catty can't it.

Mate I’m having a hard time catching up over there. I’m almost at the end of the first thread but some of the posts have given me DA FUQ? moments so far

 

[Futtrit]

11:32am

He says the unit was "noticeably busier" than it had been in previous years, and there was "no change in the staffing levels".

He says doctors are "running to and from the neonatal unit" in emergencies. He cites an example in the final collapse of Child I.

 

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12:41pm

Mr Myers says the prosecution case was to minimise the problems for Child C.

In cross-examination, Letby said she could not recall if Child C had prior issues.

Mr Myers says Letby was 'manoeuvred' into saying that was the case, and the defence do not accept Child C had no prior issues.

He says one of the notes had been put in the wrong patient's file, which was 'poor record keeping'.

"Imagine if it was found Lucy Letby had done that? 'Plausible deniability'."
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12:48pm

The note recorded bile on a blanket and black-stained fluid for Child C.

He says nurse Yvonne Griffiths hasn't signed for a 9am reading on June 12, and something was entered for noon and not signed.

He says bile on a blanket and black fluid is recorded in the nursing note at 6.30pm, but is not noted on the fluid chart.

He says a radiograph was taken at 12.36pm. Dr Evans, Dr Bohin and Dr Andreas Marnerides had all regarded the image as a 'suspicious event' of harm.

He says Letby was not on duty. Dr Anne Boothroyd recorded 'marked gaseous distention of the stomach'.

Mr Myers says the jury should take this as "proof" the experts can "get it wrong".

He says if this event happened when Letby was on duty, Letby would be accused of causing it.

12:54pm

Mr Myers says futher bile aspirates recorded are a concern for Child C.

Dr Sally Ogden had confirmed that could be serious, Mr Myers tells the court.

He says when cross-examined, Dr Ogden said it was "a worrying sign", and agreed it could be a sign of some gut obstruction.

Mr Myers says on all the evidence, Child C 'merited closer care and attention than he received'.

Dr Gibbs said, in cross-examination, intestinal obstruction 'could be one explanation'. He agreed bilous vomits were a 'red flag' for such an infant.


12:56pm

Mr Myers says Child C's bowels did not open throughout.

He says Dr Bohin was 'firmly against' suggestions Child C was not doing well, and that it was not relevant he did not leave intensive treatment unit.

He says she had the "gall" to imply that where nurses recorded dark bile, it "could have been blood".

BM: "How is that better?...What a thing to say - she wasn't there."


He says it is an "extraordinary dismissal" of the evidence of "experienced nurses".


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1:02pm

Mr Myers says Dr Bohin, for Child Q, bilous aspirates could indicate gastroenterology problems.

He asks why that could not be highlighted as a problem for Child C.

Mr Myers says it was a "lack of care" that was a potential factor that led to Child C's collapse.

He says Professor Owen Arthurs was asked about the radiograph image for Child C on day three of life on June 12.

He says if Child C had not opened bowels, it could be indicative of an obstruction.

Mr Myers says Prof Arthurs was not aware the bowels for Child C had not opened, and there was no clinical record they had.

 

[dottynotty]

Sorry I’ve scanned read the last few threads so hope I’ve not repeated, do we know if the sentencing will be live? X

 

[Futtrit]

11:14am

He says: "We are the only people who will stand up for Lucy Letby - no-one else."

He says the defence case being at the end of the trial is "not an afterthought", and is "so important".

He says the prosecution "are not in any special position" with this - they have brought the evidence, "but it does not mean they are right with this".

He says there is a suggestion there has been a "hostile reaction" that Letby has "dared to defend herself" and disagree with the prosecution.

He says the prosecution "have gone out of their way" to present some aspects as "smoke and mirrors" and evidence by Letby in cross-examination and her evidence was "gaslighting".

He says it is "unjustified" and "unfair".

Mr Myers says the jury can judge the staffing competencies.

He says the prosecution "don't want you to think" about doctors Ravi Jayaram and David Harkness's inconsistent accounts on skin discolouration, that it was a "stunning omission" for them not to put the skin discolouration in notes or in their reports for inquests.

He says that point was only uncovered in cross-examination.

He disagrees with the suggestion the defence were "gaslighting" the jury.

He says it was "not smoke and mirrors" or "gaslighting".

Mr Myers says the unit did face "unusual and increased demand" over the 12 months.

He says the trial is not about the NHS, or doctors/nurses in general.

He says the defence are entitled to be critical of the neonatal unit.

He says there is a suggestion there is an "outrage" the defence have "dared" been critical of it.

 

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12:03pm

Mr Myers says there can be deteriorations for which the cause cannot be identified.

He said there had been a number of attempts to insert a line - five by Dr David Harkness - for Child B, when the guideline was a maximum of three.

He says the difficulties of inserting lines can put a baby under stress.

He says Dr Evans, in cross-examination, went through all the potential causes.

He says it was suggested Letby had moved the nasal prongs, or that Child B had been "smothered" - Mr Myers says there was no evidence of that, and it was 'abandoned'.

He says the conclusion was of air embolus.

A nursing note by a colleague said the prongs had been moved, and "it was not unusual" for the prongs to be moved out by a baby.

On air embolus, Mr Myers says nursery room 1 "is a busy nursery" with staff coming and going.

Belinda Simcock [Williamson] said, to police, there are 4 drugs cupboards and a sterile fridge, with keys held by the shift leader or a band 6 nurse.

"It was constantly busy - I would liken it to a bus station," she said.

 

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11:39am

My Myers says there is "no fair or proper basis" for an air embolus for Child A, and sub-optimal care, with the "long line in the wrong place".

 

[Futtrit]

i have been in court having being assaulted, and my parents/I/anyone who wanted to listen had to hear from the defence how I was probably lying despite evidence, or I was likely ‘asking for it’. Worst experience of my life. But in contrast, if my child was wrongly accused of something they hadn’t done I would want there to be no question ‘unasked’.

Was meaning the babies parents listening to bm

We might be at crossed purposes?

 

[mrs.darcy]

I can see why BM would want to wait until Monday to start his summing up.

 

[Futtrit]

12:29pm

Mr Myers refers to a note by a female consultant, and suggests Dr Evans 'grabbed at' an explanation of 'pink and active' to describe a rash on Child B.

Dr Bohin, cross-examined on it, had said it was "a mistake".

Mr Myers says it was "not an innocent mistake".

 

[tay65]

How very dare you, Mr Bojangles is lovely. Although a bit cawwy at 6am.




No, never had a crow before.

We have a lot of crows and rooks in our garden but they've kept their distance.

 

[Futtrit]

12:29pm

Mr Myers moves to the topic of 'lists'.

The 'staff presence' of when staff were on shift during the times of the 25 events for the babies.
He says it is a "major part of the prosecution case" that Letby is present "far more often" than other staff.

Mr Myers says it "doesn't show fault".

He says "one thing that is striking about this chart" is having focused on it in the opening, there has been no reference to it at the end. He says the jury might wonder why that is.

Mr Myers says it is "obvious now" that the list isn't complete. It is "missing two or three events" which could be considered "harm events".

He points to Child N's case at June 14, 'night', for Child N's second event at 7.15am.

Mr Myers says that is correct, and evidence had been heard Child N was unwell that night.
He says Dr Sandie Bohin identified that in her evidence.

He says Letby wasn't on duty for the night shift.

He says the prosecution say Letby 'did something' before she left her shift the previous night - "what, we don't know".

He says the point is that Letby 'wouldn't be in that shift' and the note would be blank.

 

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11:15am

Mr Myers says there are many causes of discolouration to a baby, and there isn't a precise description as there is no photograph of any.

He says the descriptions vary between the witnesses.

He adds sometimes the descriptions have come months or years afterwards, after people have listened to other people's descriptions, and the dangers of recollection being 'contaminated or influenced are obvious'.

Mr Myers says 'unexpected collapses' can happen to neonatal babies.

He says Child D had pneumonia and was at risk of collapse.

He says for 'resuscitations unsuccessful', the proportion of babies who recovered in this case "doesn't make sense".

He says the air is 78% nitrogen and "doesn't just go".

He says it is "static, it is a blockage", and would be found post-mortem.

He says the jury won't find air in the heart, post-mortem, in any of the cases.

 

[SnoopySnooper86]

Question. *obz said in the style of beyonce*

Anyone got tiktok? I found green goblins page “tinyplastichands”

I assume tiktok is full of people spouting”she iz inoscent”