Lucy Letby Case #41

[Futtrit]

2:00pm

Mr Myers says he will refer to 'brief looks' at Lucy Letby, the person she was and is, and documents, and the subject of 'experts', this afternoon.



Yeah, I'll bet they'll be extremely brief!

 

[EffingDust]

Any of you gorgeous lot got any top hangover cures? Dying here

Maccies and apple juice

 

[Treesy19]

What's with the secrecy of some covert info that has apparently been gleaned? Either post it or don't, but what's the point in the teaser?

Doing a Lucy Letby; can’t recall now.

 

[Delstar]

Today’s live https://www.chesterstandard.co.uk/n...letby-trial-june-23---defence-closing-speech/

 

[LittleMy]

I did. Didnt' dare comment!!

Same. I commented once or twice but it was too much for me. Headache tbh.

 

[nosycowmoo]

I’d forgotten this part

It was so theatrical. “We say it [prosecutions treatment of LL] was BAAAAAADDDD. Bad.”

Did you do a write up I need to find it

 

[Fruitshop]

Kinda worried BM is gonna sway some of the jury really hope not! She’s guilty as sin!

I’m really worried too

 

[Faith61]

yes I think he is going to go through each baby and try and discredit all the main witnesses. It’s the only thing he can attempt to do. So I think all of today and into Monday. But I don’t think it will be more than two days when prosecution took 4 days.

It may not be as.simplistic but my view on this, and I'm sure too, that's what he's gonna do, cos it's all he has done so far is....it is a "poor do" that he didn't provide any expert medical witnesses of his own, to help his cause..how can they all be wrong ffs?

 

[nichew]

I am a violent person and I agree

Ditto

 

[Ilovemusic]

It’s all he can do. There is literally no plausible defence so it’s all he can do is attack attack attack. Attack the staff, the standard of care at the hospital, and try to discredit the other witnesses including the parents.

Lucky him then, more than likely has private health care and won't need the NHS!

 

[Futtrit]

I have been quiet as away on holiday so mostly catching up whilst the other half is asleep. I am probably going to be the odd one out (again) but I am really looking forward to hearing BM’s closing speech. I think it will be interesting to see how he plays this.

There is undoubtedly an argument for closing speeches to potentially have more impact on the jury than evidence as barristers tend to be clearer with what they are saying than witnesses (expert or otherwise). They are skilled at laying out a case and tying it all together.

Let’s hope for decent reporting - Marky Mark I am looking at you.

BIB

Looking forward to it? Really?

 

[amsmall]

I wondered that but she said I saw a convo and I thought you would hear a conversation so I thought it must have a different meaning.

I thought that too, but I'm sure she'll let us all know what she knows or what she can tell us without jeopardising the case

 

[craftypudding]

I have relooked at Reddit and there are now more comments about the insulin which BM talked about yesterday. If he has misled the jury because of his ignorance of the subject I hope this is put right because it is an important part of the trial.

Hope so and it almost sort of will be the defence affirming one of the arguments of the prosecution, which will strengthen it

 

[November2019]

Ive been listening to DM podcast they start every episodes with

“Everyone of these babies ‘was or is’ somebodies son or daughter”

They do not stop being someone’s child if they’ve passed away (murdered)

Even if ‘was’ is grammatically correct.
It frustrates me every time I listen

Oh I listened to the latest one this morning and noticed they had changed this to “everyone is”. I wondered if they’d had some feedback about this.

 

[amsmall]

No I don’t believe he does, hence why he only had one witness and it was a bit of a moot point. He has 0 medical experts to back him up. The only evidence I believe is some tiny little holes/mistakes in the prosecutions case, which he’ll play on but which don’t negate the bigger picture when you look at both statistics of her being there either just before or during every single collapse and things such as her keeping the medical notes, her own notes which she made, the Facebook searches etc etc etc.

Thanks for clearing that up. I had visions of BM with of slides of evidence. She's still toast

 

[AllieBee]

Me too

And me, I have a massive bird phobia don't even know where it came from!

 

[Futtrit]

4:06pm

He says at the time of the collapse, no-one was seen interfering with Child E, and Dr Harkness said Child E 'collapsed in front of our faces'.

He asks where the attack is supposed to have happened.

Mr Myers says he is not going to go into detail of Child E's bleed after the collapse, "as it is awful".

He says Dr Evans had said, in his third report, an NG tube being forced in was the cause of the bleed.

He added that was withdrawn a few weeks before the start of the trial.

Dr Evans said it was 'an option worth exploring' that a tube introducer had been used.

Mr Myers says Dr Evans had taken up a role of investigator and hunting up ways to find a conviction.

Mr Myers says Child E's bleed "ran out of control and he died".

He says there is no post-mortem examination, and Letby is getting the blame, and no "realistic opportunity" of air embolus.

 

[Faith61]

God I feel sick with nerves.

I think BM is going to drag his closing out and take a few days. Much like her taking the stand, this closing is literally all he's got so I think he's going to pick at every little thing (as is his job). I hope I'm wrong as I'm not sure how much of it I can listen to.

Someone on fb said he's asked the judge if he can start.on Monday
No idea where that's come from.and surely he wouldn't allow that?
She wonders " does he need more time to prepare "?

 

[Cheddar Chalpupa]

I think he's too professional to let much slip about his personal opinions. From what I've seen online it's only conspiracy theorists who believe that she could be innocent now, and he's definitely too logical to be one of those (especially as he will know every detail of the case, including things that haven't been given much airtime in the press). I think he will almost certainly believe she's guilty, but his job is to provide a defence, and he'll do that with a poker face.

I was interested to read the post from an American (I think) poster in another thread that commented on how combative the UK court system is. I'd just assumed that all trials involved aggressive questioning of witnesses, but it seems like it might be more pronounced in the UK. I hate it too. It's no wonder rape victims are frightened to press charges when you read the way the defence counsels go after them.

I would be so scared to be cross examined, esp when innocent

I didn't really mean BM to let any personal belief slip out, more like the linguistic gymnastics he might have to do to get his point across without misleading anyone! IE "this is a woman who says she did nothing wrong"

 

[tay65]

I've just googled this school. It looks a very nice school almost like a private school but I cannot see that it is a private school. It describes itself as a small school and that it is oversubscribed. Someone previously said she went to a school called Bishops school so I'm not sure what to believe. If she went into children's nursing at 18 would she have known at that time whether or not she could have children, I suppose it depends on the reason.

It's 2.5 miles from where she lived so geographically it's possible.