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I imagine even all of us know what happened to each baby, just by saying baby O by now etc - am sure the jury and the journos that have been there for 9 months will know all the babies actual names and what happened to them. I am glad they are called by their names - I hope some of these baby killer apologists have a moment of reflection if any parent’s choose to go public with their baby / name etc after the trial ends - they obviously do not see them as living, breathing little people.
Edited cause my phone is a sack of tit and goes mental with the typos on here!
Tweet from Dan. I'm really surprised the defence closing speech is expected to last a week! Unless they're not sitting every day maybe.
I think I would if it was my baby - these were real, living babes who should have been thriving in school by now, some of them surrounded by their siblings and celebrating together. I'd think I'd like to let the world know my baby was taken by this monster, and they didn't deserve it at all.
Out of interest - If you were the parents, would you go to the press after this?
I would. I would be shouting my baby's name from the rooftops and showing his or her face to everyone to show people who it was this monster was harming. Maybe some of the absolute bleeps on Facebook and Twitter would shut the duck up a bit when faced with an actual face and a name of who she wiped off the earth/attempted to wipe off the earth. Tiny human beings. People's sons and daughters.
I would. I would be shouting my baby's name from the rooftops and showing his or her face to everyone to show people who it was this monster was harming. Maybe some of the absolute bleeps on Facebook and Twitter would shut the duck up a bit when faced with an actual face and a name of who she wiped off the earth/attempted to wipe off the earth. Tiny human beings. People's sons and daughters.
Yes, it doesn't make much sense how 1 day delay can lead to a week longer before deliberations start.
I have been quiet as away on holiday so mostly catching up whilst the other half is asleep. I am probably going to be the odd one out (again) but I am really looking forward to hearing BM’s closing speech. I think it will be interesting to see how he plays this.
There is undoubtedly an argument for closing speeches to potentially have more impact on the jury than evidence as barristers tend to be clearer with what they are saying than witnesses (expert or otherwise). They are skilled at laying out a case and tying it all together.
Let’s hope for decent reporting - Marky Mark I am looking at you.
There is undoubtedly an argument for closing speeches to potentially have more impact on the jury than evidence as barristers tend to be clearer with what they are saying than witnesses (expert or otherwise). They are skilled at laying out a case and tying it all together.
Let’s hope for decent reporting - Marky Mark I am looking at you.
I’m a day behind Tattle but have got to page 1 and see there are nine lunatics in the poll. Ffs. I’ve asked before (and heard only silence) would you leave your newborn alone with her? Like F you would.
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I do wonder how him and his likeminded folk make other decisions in life!
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Indeed! He’s a mucking fuppet.
I do wonder how him and his likeminded folk make other decisions in life!
I keep dipping in and out of these threads. I tried listening to the podcast to get up to date but it wasn’t for me, any other podcasts out there or a condensed version I can read? When do jury get sent out?
No, once the defence finish with their closing submissions the judge will give his directions. He’s already done this to an extent so he will mainly (i) summarise the factual matters raised by both sides in closing speeches; and (ii) advise the jury on how they should verdict a verdict - essentially he’ll remind them of the questions to go through when considering each charge.
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Estimated to be Monday 10 July now
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Presumably the Judge, or other parties involved in the case, have other business calling in the latter part of w/c 3 July. For example, the judge may begin his directions on Thursday but court may not sit on Friday, he may continue the directions the following Monday but have other matters calling Tuesday - Thursday so complete his directions on the Friday/Monday and then send them to deliberate. Will depend on other court business, commitments of parties involved etc.
I think in the cases of those with babies who survived her attempts alongside their loss I’d want to do whatever was best for the surviving baby.
But 7 year olds don’t miss a beat, they’ll know their parents and families are particularly traumatised/attending court, so what is in their best interests - they can’t be protected from the facts in entirety? I genuinely have no idea and can’t begin to understand how these people can put one foot in front of the other at the moment.
I would be so scared to be cross examined, esp when innocent
I didn't really mean BM to let any personal belief slip out, more like the linguistic gymnastics he might have to do to get his point across without misleading anyone! IE "this is a woman who says she did nothing wrong"
I don’t know what he’s going to say that will last a week. I feel like ll would do her own closing statement if she could 
The other consideration with going public is they would have to think about the potential impact on any other children they have. I know my grandmother had a baby boy who died in infancy (1940s so sadly not uncommon) but it is funny to think had he lived she might not have gone on to have my dad and then I wouldn’t exist and my children wouldn’t … I don’t think about it much but obviously different to a sad act of God and murder.
Having listened to the prosecution's closing speech, BM has decided to have his closing speech rewritten by AI.BM’s done a runner?
I wouldn’t go to the press at all. The one thing I’d want is a bleeping explanation from the hospital as to why all these false records, concerns from doctors were brushed under the carpet until it was too late. I wouldn’t give her the satisfaction of telling her how she’d ruined my life and took my whole world away from me because she wouldn’t give a tit.
Had this happened to any of my kids, there’s only one thing I’d want and that’s an opportunity to smash her face in
Had this happened to any of my kids, there’s only one thing I’d want and that’s an opportunity to smash her face in
I wouldn’t ‘sell my story’ as such, but I feel like I would want the public to know my baby had a name and they were more than just a letter of the alphabet. I would possibly release a statement with a name and photo or something. But this would absolutely be dependent on my circumstances at the time, impact on other children and family etc
I would do the same 🩷 you can Google the babies names (wish I never a while ago) and you can almost imagine their little personality’s and what they should be doing if it wasn’t for that monster
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