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Anonymous member for a reason!! Wtf?😡((FB obvs!)

I don’t know whether to mention names or not, but I’ve only just joined the dots on who one of doctors involved in the evidence is.
If I’m honest I’m pretty horrified as I know said doctor has accused multiple innocent families of FII.. and I know them to be innocent on multiple levels 1. Because we have a common specialist, 2. Because I know 2 of them personally and one further family is the family of a prominent politician (they did not know at the time).
A full investigation took place following the complaints from multiple (double figures), families, including other doctors, child protection and more.. and the families were cleared after much stress and the doctor removed from their team.

They systematically with huge bias, fabricated cases.
Yet they are considered an expert here. Happy to substantiate with admin also. Just shows not all is what it seems.

I am an on the fence person who believes the defence could have done a better job with lots of the data and changing accounts. Not convinced of guilt or innocence. But believe she will be found guilty on some counts.



Obviously their judgment is amazing if they aren't convinced of guilt....

And it's also bigger balls than BNE's....
 
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3:01pm

On September 21, Letby was designated nurse for Child G and two other babies in room 4.

Letby said in a nursing note that at 10.15am, Child G 'produced two large projectile milky vomits...'

Mr Johnson says Child G had been sabotaged again by Letby, shortly after recording 'entirely normal' observations.

Child G's abdomen was noted to be 'more distended than usual'.

Mr Johnson says Letby "misrepresented" what the situation was when she texted a nursing colleague that night, saying Child G 'looked rubbish when I took over this morning' and she had inherited a problem, which Mr Johnson says "was untrue".

Mr Johnson says if Child G did look so bad, she would have referred her to a doctor first before feeding.

"It's a lie to divert the suspicion," Mr Johnson adds.
 
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Imagine following a trial right to near the end and suddenly realising “a doctor” involved had been malicious to multiple multiple people you knew.
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3:06pm

Letby was involved in a text message conversation for the 'looked rubbish...this morning'.

Letby added : 'I personally felt it was a big jump considering how sick she was just a week ago.

Being in 4 is bad enough & then having NN [nursery nurses] that just don't always know...

"Mum said she hasn't been herself for a couple of days"

Mr Johnson says it fits Letby's narrative that nursery nurses are 'bad'.

He says the "false narrative" "could not be clearer" as Letby also recorded Child G's poor condition in nursing notes written retrospectively.
 
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3:06pm

Letby was involved in a text message conversation for the 'looked rubbish...this morning'.

Letby added : 'I personally felt it was a big jump considering how sick she was just a week ago.

Being in 4 is bad enough & then having NN [nursery nurses] that just don't always know...

"Mum said she hasn't been herself for a couple of days"

Mr Johnson says it fits Letby's narrative that nursery nurses are 'bad'.

He says the "false narrative" "could not be clearer" as Letby also recorded Child G's poor condition in nursing notes written retrospectively.
This alone about her pisses me right off😡
When I was relatively newly qualified ( years ago🙈) and even at the stage she was in her career, we would work with " auxiliary nurses", now replaced by HCAs
The knowledge and experience that some of these people had, I just can't begin to explain, it has stayed with me throughout my career!
They taught me so much,helped me to feel "safe" and confident in my role.
In the context of this situation...I would have trusted them with mine and my familiy's life( I'm not a nicu nurse)
She's a horrible human being in every sense of the word 😡
 
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Guessing they’ve gone for the lunch break. Would be very surprised if BNE has missed off the pathologist evidence when summing up the case for baby D. They had air by the IV site. This is utterly clear cut imo. The rash that went but came back for both collapses? The way she has lied and tried to minimise her involvement. Everybody remembers the rash, notes the rash but her. Crying and saying it has happened to “her baby again”. She wanted attention. She enjoyed every part of it, the suffering, the devastation to all involved.
Very glad that BNE has also brought up something that’s always bothered me- “you never forget something like that” yet repeatedly she can’t recall?? It’s because that phrase is something she thinks she should say, it’s a stock phrase like the others. She has no idea how those events would have made a real human feel.

Honestly, 7 people in the poll saying she’s innocent after hearing all this. I really worry about you. You need help.
Might be her on the phones she's got shoved up her vag. After all that training with the giant dildo she's got quite the fan cavity.
 
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Anonymous member for a reason!! Wtf?😡((FB obvs!)

I don’t know whether to mention names or not, but I’ve only just joined the dots on who one of doctors involved in the evidence is.
If I’m honest I’m pretty horrified as I know said doctor has accused multiple innocent families of FII.. and I know them to be innocent on multiple levels 1. Because we have a common specialist, 2. Because I know 2 of them personally and one further family is the family of a prominent politician (they did not know at the time).
A full investigation took place following the complaints from multiple (double figures), families, including other doctors, child protection and more.. and the families were cleared after much stress and the doctor removed from their team.

They systematically with huge bias, fabricated cases.
Yet they are considered an expert here. Happy to substantiate with admin also. Just shows not all is what it seems.

I am an on the fence person who believes the defence could have done a better job with lots of the data and changing accounts. Not convinced of guilt or innocence. But believe she will be found guilty on some counts.
It's always a FB weirdo isn't it. Prob Dicky Donut - he seems to hate Dewi for some reason. Maybe coz Dewi is in the trial of the century and our nutbag professor isn't.
 
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Obviously their judgment is amazing if they aren't convinced of guilt....

And it's also bigger balls than BNE's....


Did anybody see the anonymous post by somebody who says that they’d had LL look after her little boy and she was ‘amazing’
 
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It's always a FB weirdo isn't it. Prob Dicky Donut - he seems to hate Dewi for some reason. Maybe coz Dewi is in the trial of the century and our nutbag professor isn't.
That did cross my mind!!
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Did anybody see the anonymous post by somebody who says that they’d had LL look after her little boy and she was ‘amazing’
Yeah so was old bev allit and look at what she did and what came out about her afterwards😡
 
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3:26pm

The trial is now resuming after a short break. Mr Johnson moves to the second incident on September 21, 2015 for Child G.

He says this is when Child G was having a cannula inserted behind a screen at about 3.30pm, and there were problems with insertion.

Child G was put on to a trolley to carry out the procedure.

A nursing colleague said, in evidence, she had contacted police one month prior, to say
Letby had not switched off the monitor in this event, and one of the doctors had apologised to her for not putting the monitor back on.

Dr Gibbs said if the nursing colleague said it was true, he accepted it was true.

Dr David Harkness said the monitor was "definitely not turned off" said they were "so keen to get fluids going again" for Child G, as it had been 6 hours since she last had fluids, and Child G was 'not just left alone'.

In cross-examination, it was put to him he had previously said collapses among neonates of Child G's age was quite common.

He replied that was his experience in Chester, but his experience in other places since had showed that was not the case, and now refuted the suggestion.

Mr Johnson says the nurse was out of the room for Child G, and Letby was in room 4 with Child G.

The nursing colleague said Child G was back in the cot, after hearing Lucy Letby shouting for help.

Letby had said she moved Child G from the trolley to the cot and Neopuffed her. Mr Johnson says it is not a credible suggestion.

Dr Gibbs had said "whatever the position was with the monitor", he would have made sure Child G was stable when he left her, post-cannulation, and would have told someone he had finished with the cannulation.

Mr Johnson says if the nursing colleague wasn't in the room, the other person who would have been contacted would have been Letby.

Mr Johnson says this is another occasion where Letby had attempted to kill Child G.

The nursing colleague said she could not remember a conversation about being cross that Child G had been left alone on a trolley with the monitor off, or that a Datix form should be filled in for that event.
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3:28pm

Dr Dewi Evans said the first September 21 incident was all indicative that Child g had been overfed with "potentially catastrophic consequences".

Dr Sandie Bohin said it was "basic arithemtic" - two large milky vomits, plus 30mls aspirate, meant Child G was fed much more than she should have been.



3:36pm

Mr Johnson turns to the case of Child H.

He refers to a form from the Countess of Chester Hospital to Arrowe Park for transfer, shown to the court, of Child H's deterioration and the chest drains used.

The form ends: 'The acute epsidoes with desaturations and bradycardias do not seem to be directly related to the respiratory problems'

Child H's mother said Child H was "like a completely different baby at Arrowe Park".

Mr Johnson says Child H had respiratory distress syndrome, which is "not unusual" for a neonatal baby, and was not particularly premature.

There were two events where Child H desaturated which were unusual.

Cross-examination of Letby said staffing levels did not contribute to the collapse of Child H. She "always had one-to-one nursing care" and the delay in issuing surfactant did not have anything to do with the collapse, Mr Johnson says.

Mr Johnson says for the two counts, the tube was not blocked and staff could hear air going in and out of Child H's lungs
 
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A full investigation took place following the complaints from multiple (double figures), families, including other doctors, child protection and more.. and the families were cleared after much stress and the doctor removed from their team.
I could be off-base but I feel like this should be pretty easy to verify. If a friend of a friend can find out details about the investigation then it can't be that well hidden. Were any of the experts in the case struck off lately and it was just never mentioned? Lol
 
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I could be off-base but I feel like this should be pretty easy to verify. If a friend of a friend can find out details about the investigation then it can't be that well hidden. Were any of the experts in the case struck off lately and it was just never mentioned? Lol
Exactly..that bloody group needs shutting down😡
 
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3:54pm

Professor Arthurs, a professor in radiology, "made a signficiant contribution" to the debate on chest drains, Mr Johnson said.

He said chest drains do not normally cause bradycardia or desaturations, and chest drain positions are not examined in detail as they do not cause problems.

He said the interpretation of a chest drain position was his area of expertise. He said in his opinion, the chest drains were in the space they were supposed to be.

Mr Johnson says the jury don't have to accept his evidence, but there is no evidence to contradict it.

Mr Johnson says the first significant collapse happened on September 25-26, 2015. L

etby was the designated nurse in room 1. No other babies were in room 1.

The father's statement was read out to court. He said he and his wife had spent time in the neonatal unit until September 25.

He said he had been there until 'about midnight', had come back to the house, and was awoken by a call needing to go back to the hospital.

He said when he got back, "I definitely remember Lucy being there, doing the chest massaging. It was explained to us [Child H] had a collapse.

"[Child H] was a very strange colour - I remeber the mottling was running out of her skin towards her fingers."

Letby, in nursing notes: '...2330 bradycardia and desaturation requiring neopuff in 100% to recover. 10ml ai[r] aspirated from chest drain by Reg Ventress. Following poor blood gas and 100% oxygen requirement consultant Gibbs attended the unit and inserted a 3rd chest drain'

Mr Johnson says 2330 is the time put in by Letby.

Dr Ventress recorded '2350 Several episodes of desaturation in past two hours...'

Mr Johnson said Letby had told her of 'several' episodes - "where has that come from?"

Dr Ventress: '1st one after gas taken (good gas)...'. Mr Johnson says Letby wrote on an intensive care chart a desaturation to 52% at 2210, which does not appear "at all" in the notes.

Mr Johnson says there is nothing in the observation charts to suggest there is anything wrong during this period.

He says the parent has an uneventful night before he left.

The doctor is given a long list of problems, but there is nothing in the nursing record to what Letby told Dr Ventress.

Mr Johnson says this was getting other people to record problems for a child when none existed, as was the case for Child E.

NJ: "[Child E] hadn't got a problem, until Lucy Letby caused a problem."

Dr Ventress had recorded a second chest drain was "almost out". Mr Johnson says moving chest drains was a "very effective way" of sabotaging a child, as would moving an ET Tube
 
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