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It seems obvious to me that you wouldn't believe your colleague was a serial killer straight away, I guess it's only when everyone shares their experience and you realise what was actually going on at home (hello handover sheets) that reality started to set in. It must be absolutely traumatising for the people who worked and socialised with her, potentially even life ruining. I know people who are involved in this case who have to make massive changes to their lives due to it all. They'll be so relieved when it's all over.
Dan is tweeting quite a lot today but I haven’t been able to share (trying to do a million things and follow!) but BNE has just pointed out to the court that with all the falsifying, when colleagues went back to the notes, it was so hard to see the wood for the trees. She knew what she was doing in that respect. She was also playing poor lucy to everybody. Incredibly manipulative.
 
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11:38am

Child I had further desaturations on October 14-15, which Mr Johnson said were 'explicable' as there were secretions in the NG Tube.

Child I had a 'miraculous recovery' after being transferred to Arrowe Park, and improved, until coming into the "misfortune" of contact with Lucy Letby, he adds.

Dr Evans thought Child I's stomach had been injected with air, and air injected into the intravenous system.

There was an "astonishing amount of air" in Child I's stomach.

Dr Bohin concluded Child I had air administered.
 
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It seems obvious to me that you wouldn't believe your colleague was a serial killer straight away, I guess it's only when everyone shares their experience and you realise what was actually going on at home (hello handover sheets) that reality started to set in. It must be absolutely traumatising for the people who worked and socialised with her, potentially even life ruining. I know people who are involved in this case who have to make massive changes to their lives due to it all. They'll be so relieved when it's all over.
Yeah, the fall out of this is catastrophic...affecting so many.
On reflection...no, I wouldn't have believed that any of my colleagues that I worked very closely with, when worked on a ward environment was capable of such atrocities.
The enormity wasn't evident in the early days.....I dread ro think what there is to come with the on going investigation 💔
Hopefully she will be banged up soon...but it will be on going for a long time to come for some,as you say, life changing 💔
 
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@Tofino not sure if I’ve just missed your posts or if you’re quiet, hope all ok

ETA - holy tit I posted the same time as you, that’s spooky. Glad you’re ok
i’m ok, I’ve been trying to catch up with the titanic submersible thread so just behind on this one, and usually someone has already said what I would say by the time I get to it 🤣
 
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I can imagine BM approaching LL with some aggressive finger pointing “I TOLD you not to take the stand you stupid bint” then he throws up his hands and turns to Boss Man Goss “This is SO unfair. You’ve seen what I’ve got to work with!” Lastly, wringing his hands at the jury “She never done nothing, honest. They’re all out to get her, you’ve got to believe me. Plus I really want to beat Nick, please.” Walks past BNE muttering “bastard” under his breath.
If he knows she's guilty he'll want her to get found guilty and locked up. I can't imagine here's completely heartless. He's just trying to getbher a fair trial so she can't appeal. I don't think there's any other way he can justify it to himself.
 
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So...being very careful. I know that when she was first accused the general consensus was that she was innocent and being used as a scapegoat by the people she worked with. Those colleagues continued to socialise with her but stories have been sold now which indicates to me that atleast one of those colleagues believes she is guilty.
Also being careful, yes I’ve heard the same thing re: J JK
 
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If he knows she's guilty he'll want her to get found guilty and locked up. I can't imagine here's completely heartless. He's just trying to getbher a fair trial so she can't appeal. I don't think there's any other way he can justify it to himself.
Yes I don’t think he’s a stupid man or a conspiracy theorist, I’m sure he sees what we see. He has to make sure she gets a fair trial which does actually ensure guilty people are put in prison and stay in prison, so in a roundabout way he’s still helping to get justice.
 
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11:52am

The trial is now resuming after a short break.
Mr Johnson turns to the fourth and final event for Child I, on October 22-23, 2015, in which Child I died
 
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The summing up feels even more horrifying then the cross exam and the other evidence put together. NJ is doing a fantastic job at setting the scene and relaying the events as they unfold but it's like watching a car crash in slow motion, you know what's going to happen and its so unfathomably awful. 💔
I think it's harder to listen to as well because there's no back-and-forth of questions and answers, it's just a clear timeline of events being laid out. As much as I think BNE is doing an absolutely amazing job and it's necessary for the jury to hear it all like this, I just want this to be over. Struggling to read anymore as it's just too awful.
 
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Yes I don’t think he’s a stupid man or a conspiracy theorist, I’m sure he sees what we see. He has to make sure she gets a fair trial which does actually ensure guilty people are put in prison and stay in prison, so in a roundabout way he’s still helping to get justice.
Absolutely
 
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11:55am

Mr Johnson says Ashleigh Hudson had given evidence to say Child I was "very easy to settle", and although Child I was in nursery room 1, that was as a precaution given her history of episodes.

Child I was self ventilating in air and her saturations "optimal", and she "looked very well", and "pink, well-perfused" and a "soft, non-distended abdomen".

Caroline Oakley said in a statement Child I's abdomen was "fine" and "soft, non-distended".

Mr Johnson says that is the background to Child I when Lucy Letby came on shift that night.
 
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People like Lucy and pedos should be put forward for medical experiments. Make some use of em.
 
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What she put that baby through is unbelievable. Her poor body must’ve been so tired 😔 it’s just incomprehensible
 
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12:03pm

Letby was designated nurse for a baby in room 2 and a baby in room 3.

Ashleigh Hudson was designated nurse for Child I and another baby.

Child I was in a "virtually perfect" clinical scenario, Mr Johnson says.

He says Letby "got herself involved".

Child I gave a 'cry that had not been heard before' - 'loud and relentless', according to Ashleigh Hudson, who interpreted it as "distress".

When she was repositioned on her tummy at about midnight, Child I stopped breathing.

Resuscitation efforts began and Child I then began to fight the ventilator.

Dr John Gibbs was told Child I had had an abnormal cry.

He was 'perplexed' at Child I's rapid deterioration and recovery, which would not show a sign of infection.

Mr Johnson says Letby falsified paperwork for one of her designated babies at this time - the baby to be transferred to Stoke.

Letby recorded a note at 10.50-10.52pm note of a 10% glucose infusion for the 'Stoke baby'.

The infusion note is written as starting at '2300', and that writing is changed to '2400'. Mr Johnson says it was changed to give Letby an "alibi" for midnight.

Mr Johnson says further times are overwitten/changed on Child I's infusion chart - from 12.15am to 12.25am, and one to a time at 1.25am, which Mr Johnson says puts it out of sequence between '1.28am' and '1.48am' on the chart.
 
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If he knows she's guilty he'll want her to get found guilty and locked up. I can't imagine here's completely heartless. He's just trying to getbher a fair trial so she can't appeal. I don't think there's any other way he can justify it to himself.
It’s his job. She is entitled to a defence the same way anyone else would be if you were accused of a crime. It’s not to do with being heartless or otherwise!
 
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If he knows she's guilty he'll want her to get found guilty and locked up. I can't imagine here's completely heartless. He's just trying to getbher a fair trial so she can't appeal. I don't think there's any other way he can justify it to himself.
Yes, he’s doing the best he can with what he’s got. He is one of the top barristers and will absolutely go all out- as he should to ensure a fair trial and sound verdict. It doesn’t matter what his personal feelings are, he’s a professional doing his job. I hate when the conspiracy theorists say he has given up or believes her to be guilty, it’s ridiculous.
 
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11:15am

Mr Johnson refers to Letby's 2019 police interview, in which she said room 2's light was off, and there was 'an element of light coming from the doorway', and Child I was by the window.

Ashleigh Hudson said Child I had a blanket over her, and a 'tent structure' keeping her secure.

She said she could not see Child I due to the canopy and the lighting.

Mr Johnson says Letby did not have a better view.

Ms Hudson said she switched on the light and looked at Child I, who was 'gasping', 'incredibly pale', and in a 'very bad way'.

Ms Hudson initially thought the deterioration was so rapid she thought she was too late to save her.

She said you "cannot see" a child from the position Lucy Letby was in.

Mr Johnson says we have a "head-on credibility conflict", of two accounts who "don't live in the same world".

Mr Johnson says in cross-exmination, Letby was asked about looking from a brightly lit corridor into a dark room would improve her ability to see.

He says her first response was "I don't know".

NJ: "She 'conceded' she would not have been able to see, yet she persisted that she could see [Child I].

NJ: "We had a break, we came back, and I asked Lucy what she had said in interview...

He says Letby had said "Maybe I spotted something Ashleigh couldn't spot."

Mr Johnson had asked Letby: "You don't have better eyesight than Ashleigh, do you?"

LL: "No."

NJ: "The question is, how would you be able to spot the colouring [of Child I better than Ashleigh Hudson from the same point of view]?"

LL: "I had more experience so I knew what I was looking for/at."

Mr Johnson adds: "You will remember the way she corrected herself."

He says there was a very long pause.

He added at the time: "Your answer, you explain it."

He said Letby was "finding it difficult to concentrate on all the dates".

Mr Johnson said there was nothing about the dates in this context.

He says did Letby make an innocent mistake, or did something else slip out, under the pressure of the witness box?

He says Letby caused the problem for Child I. He says Child I recovered well.
The arrogance and ego on it 😤🤬 Always has to be better and “more experienced” than everyone else. Hope it’s better than Big Sue on the wing when it comes to swinging jaws.
 
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Yes, he’s doing the best he can with what he’s got. He is one of the top barristers and will absolutely go all out- as he should to ensure a fair trial and sound verdict. It doesn’t matter what his personal feelings are, he’s a professional doing his job. I hate when the conspiracy theorists say he has given up or believes her to be guilty, it’s ridiculous.
Yes! Or “he’s only doing his best so she can’t appeal”. No he’s doing his job as a defence KC - a job that’s incredibly important and doesn’t make you heartless or an awful person.
 
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Poor Ashleigh Hudson. It would be enough to drive some people away from nursing. The staff must’ve been living in a nightmare where babies who were well just randomly collapsed or died without warning. It would be them that could get PTSD not LL in her “pyjamas” 😡
 
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Ashleigh Hudson said she was alerted to Child I at 1.06am by either the alarm going off or Child I crying. She said, in room 1, Letby was already there at Child I's cotside and "had her hands in the incubator". Mr Johnson says Letby had sabotaged Child I, and caused Child I to cry.

Mr Johnson says Letby 'put Ashleigh Hudson off' by saying: "She just needs to settle".

'Air++' was aspirated from Child I. Mr Johnson asks how that could have got there other than being forced in by Lucy Letby.

Dr Rachel Chang could see air entry and chest movement on Child I, but Child I wasn't recovering. She said Child I's death was "inexplicable".

Dr John Gibbs noted mottling on Child I. He said he "could not understand" why Child I had died and referred the case to the coroner.

The grieving parents agreed to bathe Child I. Mr Johnson said despite having two designated babies to care for, and Child I not being her designated baby, Letby met the parents.

The mother said: "Lucy came back in. She was smiling and kept going on about how she was present at [Child I's] first bath and how much she [Child I] had loved it."

"I wish she had just sopped talking. Eventually I think she realised and stopped. It wasn't what we wanted to hear then."
 
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