Lucy Letby Case #39

abelleza said:

I can tell you that this is the bane of most medical professionals lives.

The delusion these people have…

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I can’t believe the like button is the most popular choice

Lucy not lied once and been consistent throughout?

Ok I can perhaps let them have consistent if they mean she consistently had a selective memory and consistently threw everyone else under the bus.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but the witness experts aren’t “hired” by the defence/prosecution to fit their version of events are they? BNE didn’t write to Dr Evans and say “aye up pal, can you review these cases so it fits that this nurse Lucy Letby killed the babies?” They will have reviewed the evidence presented to them completely objectively and their findings will either support the defence or the prosecution. In this case, all the expert witnesses clearly supported prosecution because defence didn’t have any! If Dr Evans reviews supported the defence, he’d have been used as a defence expert witness wouldn’t he? Please tell me if I’ve got the wrong end of the stick here

If she gets found NG, will they still be able to report on other incriminating stuff about her (which had been held back to ensure a fair trial) or will that only get released if she’s found guilty?

other than the 4 doctors, am I right in thinking none of her nursing colleagues were particularly negative about her even though they were witnesses for the prosecution? I know there was one who kept having to ask her to leave but other than that when asked generally what they thought about her nursing abilities and I right in thinking they were nice about her?

I keep trying to read about each baby in the wiki to get my head around the case as a whole but find it too upsetting, especially when I get to the parents accounts.

edit: just to add I think she is guilty! I guess I'm just playing devils advocate in my head as to what might happen if she's found NG..

At this point I just think these people enjoy the attention of remaining NG because that clearly gives them more attention than it does to actually look at the evidence objectively.
There was no shame in having an opinion of NG and also hoping that she hadn’t done it and it is just one big conspiracy. I understand people wanting it to be the case.
But I’m sorry, you cannot dispute the evidence presented, you have to admit there has been evidence to suggest these were deliberate acts. Might not be enough for you to change (how I don’t know but still)
You cannot say she hasn’t lied. She admitted to lying on the stand herself. That’s not been made up, that’s come out of her own mouth when challenged. If you want to continue to believe she is NG then you do you but don’t make your own reality up.

But imo this isn’t one big conspiracy, this isn’t a hospital covering their failings, this isn’t a “let’s all point fingers at one person”, the evidence have been reviewed repeatedly, there have been no other medical experts called to cast doubt on the findings or to present alternatives because the alternatives have been covered by BM’s cross - there is no one that could have taken the stand to support LL. That is huge. Additionally, there is a lot more evidence that the jury will have had compared to the live reporting.

It’s frustrating and to the person on here letting it creep doubt into you - why? If you’ve followed the trial, followed the evidence, come to your own conclusions why are you letting them potentially sway you? Our opinions don’t really matter in the grand scheme of things but your own opinion is valid. Your own conclusions are valid. There has been huge amounts of evidence presented here that points to her guilt, that follows suit with other health care serial murders, the people on the Fb group are ignoring the evidence and are also choosing not to look at things all together (pencil theory). Don’t doubt yourself because these people shout a bit louder on a group…you’ve heard evidence from multiple medial experts that these deaths cannot be explained by medical reasons, they’re deliberate. She is the only one there for them all. Not to mention everything else. No one is that unlucky.

The entire case is horrendous and yes, putting away an innocent person would be horrendous but I don’t believe her to be innocent. At all. No crack pot on a Fb group is going to add any doubt in for me if the defence didn’t.

rararala said:

I’ve just been reading a post on fb, I think like others on here I do keep wondering why I even read them because they just make me mad and sad and kinda astounded anyway someone asked ‘What is it that would have been enough to tip you over into believing she’s guilty?…’
And so far there are 76 comments and so many people who are saying ng. Here is one of the replies after the OP said something along the lines of ‘how do u explain Dr J’s testimony and that of the parent who said their baby was screaming and had blood round the mouth’.
I just wondered what people’s thoughts are on this. how can people say/think this shiz? The poster goes on and on aswell…like what is wrong with people, I feel like they are literally blind to what is in front of them

“ I think the claims the prosecution are making are just outrageous. Walking onto shift and murdering a child within 3 minutes? Just no,.getting insulin and unravelling the tpn to inject into it, unnoticed, battering a baby to cause liver bruising. So many things that would not have gone unnoticed. I could go on.. Unbelievable to me.”

I thought old Dick Gill was crazy but these kind of posts are so unbelievably ridiculous🫣🫣

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She also believes 20ml of actrapid would have had to be injected. And calls herself a diabetes nurse specialist

terfette said:

Lmfao I grew up near Liverpool as that’s where my mum went when her and my dad split up. I’m sorry but Liverpool has one of the biggest women’s hospital that even millionaires choose over private care they can easily afford. I had my son at Liverpool womens (as I lived up north) and I’ve maintained ever since that EVERY maternity ward should operate the same as LWs. LL was working on this ward around the time my son was born (I don’t remember ever encountering her or anything) so she has experienced this standard of care that the people of Liverpool are able to access as their local hospital, and that even people not local (it wasn’t my local hospital it was a 40 min drive away, but I chose it above my local, and so did my daughters step-mum for both her babies even tho her local is COCH as she lives near Chester) He can fuck off, jump off the ducking planet with your stupid generalisations. I had my daughter in a Nottingham hospital, I had my youngest In Warrington hospital, letby worked in the fucking best of the best in my opinion HOW FUCKING DARE he insinuate people from Liverpool don’t know what good healthcare is and would simply distrust them as an authority FUCK OFF.

P.s I’ve had Prosecco again sorry for the ramble tattlers. Fucking fumed me.

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Exactly. He's a twat. And also now you've said that about how good LWH is that's probably why she didn't get to kill babies there, because it was more organised and she didn't get the opportunity?

gigilouxx said:

This one’s my favourite. She’s got the woe is me face down to a T

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The size of her head in that picture is what got me it made me laugh out loud. Perhaps that's my sign to get to sleep until the milk bar reopens

A mega Pint said:

Stay away from the pit!! you are only one of a minority there who can think critically and judge the evidence on its merits, instead of being part of a bleating sheep chorus.
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The nursery was decorated when she bought the house, but as many people have said her, why would you not take down the muriel?, especially when you have been living there long enough to get round to it , it’s just so strange and baffling!

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I realise it was there already from what I have heard. But, what is strange is her not taking it down and oddly it being the same as the nursery in the hospital where alledged attacks took place. That’s what I’m finding strange and it’s true, it’s the same.

So whilst I personally don’t think living next door to a cemetery is strange in itself, when you put all these pieces together and the fact that there really is quite some possibility that some of the babies were in that memorial garden that’s beyond a coincidence.

gigilouxx said:

They’re going on about her being awarded compensation now.
I want compensation because I didn’t realise I shared the same oxygen as such dense morons

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But but she needs the compo to be able to fund her chomp habit in jail lol

The cigarette thing - I know it’s total trivia but surely what happened was the doctor has nipped off for a smoke and her bleep went off so she legged it back in and as it was an emergency she didn’t think to stop and wash her hands, not that she broke off CPR for a quick gasper?

sorry if this has already been established, i kind of vaguely followed the trial but i only got super interested when she took to the stand so i'm abit behind.
so the 'gang of four' she accuses of trying to set her up, one of them cant be named for legal reasons for some reason.... this isn't dr choc is it???

kikixxxxx said:

sorry if this has already been established, i kind of vaguely followed the trial but i only got super interested when she took to the stand so i'm abit behind.
so the 'gang of four' she accuses of trying to set her up, one of them cant be named for legal reasons for some reason.... this isn't dr choc is it???

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No it’s a female doctor.

AllieBee said:

Exactly. He's a twat. And also now you've said that about how good LWH is that's probably why she didn't get to kill babies there, because it was more organised and she didn't get the opportunity?

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I will say Liverpool womens is the only neonatal I h e direct experience of. My son was admitted there when he was born. My daughters cousin was on COCH neonatal for a couple of days and no complaints there. But anyway. I never saw half the shit letby was doing at LWs. I’ve commented before about it. But specifically the texting. I never saw a neonatal nurse there using a phone except for taking pics of the babies (once they’d finished touching said baby) which were uploaded directly to the parents,, phone put away, hands washed before moving on to their next task. I cannot even imagine seeing a neonatal nurse texting in a clinical area, nevermind to the extent letby was.

I’m so bored of the Lucy apologists tbh, remember the crazy woman on twitter? I swear she is getting worse.

If my child needed CPR urgently I wouldn’t give a fuck if the doctor had the fag hanging out her mouth whilst doing it as long as my baby was okay. She’s so sick in the head and narcissistic that she thinks unwashed hands are worse than her wicked behaviour

gmf21 said:

The cigarette thing - I know it’s total trivia but surely what happened was the doctor has nipped off for a smoke and her bleep went off so she legged it back in and as it was an emergency she didn’t think to stop and wash her hands, not that she broke off CPR for a quick gasper?

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I absolutely agree. She might have dashed back in and quickly donned a pair of latex gloves for speed and you know what this emergency only came about because LL caused it and yet she's the one trying to push the doctor under the bus.

tay65 said:

I absolutely agree. She might have dashed back in and quickly donned a pair of latex gloves for speed and you know what this emergency only came about because LL caused it and yet she's the one trying to push the doctor under the bus.

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This has reminded me of when my son was in LWs and the doctor/consultants did their rounds. They got to us, and she was halfway through a sentence and her hospital phone thing went off and she suddenly start running away shouting behind her “I’m sorry there’s someone giving birth in the car park I’ve got to go”

And also, when I first went in and they were doing the initial line observations they do for an hour or so. The woman next to me the midwife closed the curtains and examined her and went “oh yes you’re 3/4cm I’ll go and sort you a room out” came back five minute later and the woman said she couldnt go as the baby was coming, the midwife said “oh no it’s ok, you’re only 3- oh, oh ok. We aren’t going anywhere are we” and the next second there was a baby crying and the dad came out from behind the curtain crying bless him still warms my heart thinking about that.

dual2099 said:

Oh my goodness, I’ve just been reading the websleuths site and somebody has pointed something out that’s beyond creepy.

They’ve pointed out that her house was overlooking the baby garden in the cemetery. It was so close you’d be able to see it from the bedroom window. But they also pointed out that the room that was decorated as a nursery was the same as as the ‘owl’ room in the hospital.

And they are absolutely right, both rooms have owls on them. Now I know that somebody pointed out that the nursery was probably decorated before she even moved, but that cannot be a coincidence- surely?

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Hey never mind websleuths I've said it on here twice now .

#notanadad said:

Correct me if I’m wrong, but the witness experts aren’t “hired” by the defence/prosecution to fit their version of events are they? BNE didn’t write to Dr Evans and say “aye up pal, can you review these cases so it fits that this nurse Lucy Letby killed the babies?” They will have reviewed the evidence presented to them completely objectively and their findings will either support the defence or the prosecution. In this case, all the expert witnesses clearly supported prosecution because defence didn’t have any! If Dr Evans reviews supported the defence, he’d have been used as a defence expert witness wouldn’t he? Please tell me if I’ve got the wrong end of the stick here

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Yeah you’re right. I think they’re there ‘for the court’ but you’d presume BNE would know what the experts are likely to say else why call them up and ask for their expertise. Like you said, BM obviously couldn’t find anyone to suggest otherwise.

terfette said:

And also, when I first went in and they were doing the initial line observations they do for an hour or so. The woman next to me the midwife closed the curtains and examined her and went “oh yes you’re 3/4cm I’ll go and sort you a room out” came back five minute later and the woman said she couldnt go as the baby was coming, the midwife said “oh no it’s ok, you’re only 3- oh, oh ok. We aren’t going anywhere are we” and the next second there was a baby crying and the dad came out from behind the curtain crying bless him still warms my heart thinking about that.

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