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nosycowmoo

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Oh I just remembered another part, she did a datix about a bung being missing and it possibly cause an air embolism, a few days after they had called her. Yet in police interview she said she didn’t know what an air embolism was… if you were innocent there just wouldn’t be soooo many contradictions. The truth is the truth however you say it.
 
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F1Grid

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Right, anyone who wanted to stay on the fence until you'd heard all the defence's evidence. How are you feeling right now?
 
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nosycowmoo

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So, it started… we will start with text messages after your removal from the unit, then the gang of 4 doctors, searches for parents and the circumstances in which she was isolated and then after the arrest. and he said so there you go that’s your menu I literally LOL’d and wasn’t the only one!!!!

She wasn’t as narky today she somehow seemed a bit more relaxed, not as much blinking either. She did seem to be putting her foot in it a bit today if I’m honest.

The pj comments came across well (for prosecution) and she was adamant she did not want the video showing. She knew she’d messed up there.

The isolated part was very telling. London visits and meet ups and messages with hearts to doctor no name (jeez nearly wrote his name!) it made her look silly if I’m honest and did it’s job of showing how many minor things she’s willing to lie about.

Messages immediately to 2 friends and doctor no name even though she was told to talk to anyone. Then loads of messages and meet ups and group messages to a big group of different staff. She had a hectic social life if I’m honest and she has repeatedly said how isolated she was. So he really did show how easily she lies over things.

The note I was shocked he didn’t say about the on purpose part and it seemed quite mild he could’ve really gone to town but didn’t.

Then BM started and I can’t for the life of me remember 2 of the parts that I thought he helped the prosecution out (I was genuinely so confused why he would make her look more guilty but my stupid adhd brain can’t remember 😭)

However he said that one part about babies being unwell 2 nights in a row was a mistake, that the prosecution had that part wrong and they were not unwell in both nights.

Then he said DID YOU AGREE TO THAT EVEN THOUGH IT WAS WRONG… she said YES, he then said why did you agree to an inaccurate summary of evidence and she said I CANT ANSWER THAT I DONT KNOW.

Now unless he can think up something clever about that, then it sounds like that went in the prosecutions favour!

I can see there’s been lots of talk of the lies about social life etc not being important in a murder trial… but she’s under oath, to tell nothing but the truth and she hasn’t, over and over lies on lies.

Oh and finally when I say how nicely BNE talks to her WELL!!! BM has a MUCH harsher voice and tone.

Court was almost full, lots of new faces. Not on till Wednesday now
 
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pixieroo

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I'm sorry, I know it's serious business, and we've all (or I have at least 5mins ago) joked that it's the Mario Brothers, but the fact the Plumber has an Italian sounding name has finished me for the day already. :LOL:
 
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MmmB777

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She kinda looked like f**k then paused and he prompted her again and then she spelt it, I didn’t actually know if it was right or not as no one said! Then he said so you looked it up on your sheets didn’t you
Yeah I don’t think she did spell it correctly. Again, I just think that is a totally huge moment if you consider what she has tried to claim about those sheets and her searches. Yes good point @craftypudding about her saying she had a good memory for them!! It doesn’t mean you’d remember how to spell an unusual name would it! I wonder if it was baby M’s parents as I have a feeling mum is maybe of non English heritage (she said she was praying to ‘my god’ 💔). That means keeping those handovers served a purpose. It served a purpose for reliving it for her. They weren’t in her garage or attic, they were under her bed. They were marked keep. They were moved house.
First she claimed not to have any, then maybe she had a few handovers, then she had to accept she had hundreds, then she had to claim she didn’t realise and they just accumulated, then she claimed she didn’t know how to dispose of them, then she claimed not to have a shredder yet it was used and one of only a few items in her room, then she said “ideally” it would be in confidential waste (not ideal- legally has to be), then she claimed not to know the policy, then she claimed on the stand that she had a problem with throwing away paper, then after saying they weren’t significant she called them a collection, then she used language like “they came home with me” as if the paperwork chose to, then she claimed that the documents were still held confidentially in her house and her parents house, then she admitted shredding bank statements but that they’re at the forefront of her mind 🤔 (careful with her own sensitive data but reckless with others), then after saying handovers aren’t special or memorable she had to admit to having her first one kept away in a special box, then she had to concede that Doctor U would have hold of the paper towel that he used at 8:30 and yet she stayed an hour late and somehow managed to acquire it and keep it under her bed for years. Then you have to believe somebody so worried about being redeployed and supposedly following the rules of the investigation and being isolated, looked around that house knowing she had hundreds of illegal patient sensitive data and STILL could not throw it away. Why? 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 too special and too important to her. Filed. Stored. Kept close. Referred to for her pleasure.
 
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Rosie878

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I'm sure this has probably been posted before but so,e one posted it on fb yesterday in response to a LL is a scapegoat blablabla thread. I found it very compelling. Obvs there's no proof that this person is a NICU nurse and I don't know where it's copied from but it really underlines how bizarre the deaths were for this unit.
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RinsedHoops

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Guys I'm just heading to reddit to see the "there will be medical experts for the defence" crowd melt down.
BRB
 
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nosycowmoo

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Need title editing as it’s missing #38

I have some time (presume the usual 20 mins) to edit poll options if anybody wants any adding or changing!
Can we just remove not guilty and have ‘guilty’, ‘guilty’ and ‘if you choose this leave tattle we don’t need your bad energy’
 
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TapToBoreMeRigid

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Remembering with some distress the time I was washing my hands at the basin, shit started thrusting its way through the taps and suddenly I found myself with a lethal dose of synthetic insulin in my system.
 
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LittleMy

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Baby C passed away in his mummy’s arms on this day 8 years ago. 😢
Bless the little angel 🩵 🕊
 
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nosycowmoo

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I keep going for unsure as guilty without everything feels so damning, I am leaning towards guilty though. Which in some ways is a relief, as the thought of someone innocent going through that is unthinkable. But in another way is more horrific than you can verbalise. i think a few of us feel the same, it’s this weird sort of unsettled feeling.
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Thanks, @nosycowmoo

Is it possible she was referring to a feeling of isolation rather than literal isolation? I’ve had times where I seem to be active socially but anything but really.
No she literally said under oath she was isolated she couldn’t speak to any of her family and friends from work… yet went totally against their order to not speak to anyone. She’s the first to make everyone else follow rules but doesn’t follow them herself…
 
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DellaC

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Poor Lorenzo, dragged into this mess. He's going to have to change his name.

Lee King?
Phil Mabucket?

Sorry about me.
 
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Larkingaboot

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I’m a long time lurker on here and have been interested for a while as I too am a nurse.

what seals the deal for me in the magnitude of what she has done and what type of evil she is,
I reflect against my practice.

as a district nurse for example I did lots of wound care amongst other things, I would frequently go home and worry about my patients in that episode of care, even waking up at 2am sometimes thinking “omg did I record that blood pressure?!“ (of course, I had). If say, the next shift or so I found out someone had been admitted to hospital or a wound was infected or they had a fall I would immediately be struck with worry of “oh god was that down to me, I missed something, I didn’t do enough” etc etc even when it was never to do with me, it was just (not to be light hearted) but one of those things. The knot in my stomach would be overwhelming.

so to me I just can’t fathom how she did what she did and carried on as a normal person, was able to sleep and carried on harming those poor babies. It shakes me to my core, I am not naive by any means but the utter reality that there are people amongst us who are that evil is sickening. She is disgusting
 
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Deeznutslol

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Honestly I actually feel bad for the plumber. Having to go to court and give evidence is a really stressful experience, they’re just wasting his time making him do this
 
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DellaC

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I'm probably going to be very VERY poorly tomorrow my darlings.
We ate tea alfresco this evening and I'm just relaxing with a glass of wine when I noticed a little bit of rice had made its way between my knockers. Not thinking anything of it I picked it up and put it in my mouth. It took about 5 seconds to realise the thing in my mouth was moving. It was a shitting caterpillar 😱😭😱😭😱😭

How am I ever EVER going to get over the shock?
 
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raspberryjuice

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I think he’s not used the “on purpose” line because he’ll use it in his closing statement. If he’d cross examined her on it and she came up with an explanation that could be plausible (even though complete bullshit, obvs) it would weaken it. As it’s not been covered in any detail when he’s gone through all the prosecution evidence again he can finish with “remember this is a woman who wrote a confession, “I did this on purpose…” and it will be memorable and carry a lot of weight. Just like it did in opening when we got that first mic drop moment from him with the same note.
 
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