They always look broken, it’s awful to see. I really feel for them.
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I do too chuck. I am not sure I'd still be able to support her in their position but at the same time I suppose they have to see it through.
your mind went to people, mine went to balls.. dipping them in yoghurt is a whole different topic
You.Filthy.witch.your mind went to people, mine went to balls.. dipping them in yoghurt is a whole different topic
Same here. I’m watching closely because I want understand how this has happened and see justice done. Then something is mentioned that brings the focus back to the victims. How defenceless and innocent they were, some in their first few hours of life. It’s horrific. My babies have all been huge but I remember when my oldest was born (9lb6) and my heart literally ached for how tiny and vulnerable he was to me. I remember the first time I clipped his nails and I cried for 45 minutes because I cut one too short and hurt him. This was over 18 years ago and I still feel ick about it. It’s incomprehensible to most of us how anybody could deliberately harm these babies.
I work in post-16 education and read that and thought what have out of funders got to do with it lol. My brain is obviously not working at all.
She is ducked isn't she. Unless BM has an ace up his sleeve she is going to be serving a whole life order.
Problem is once they catch her in one lie how can they trust ANYTHING else that comes out of her mouth.
I don't think BNE has even started yet, his summing up will be spectacular.
I truly thought she would change her plea because she couldn't hack it but obviously sooo wrong. What I see happening now though is her losing her temper, because she is losing control of the situation.
I actually think she might have been lucky and got a NG before she took the stand (don't get me wrong I think she is guilty but wasn't sure all the evidence was there for all cases) but now she is really stuffed.
Problem is once they catch her in one lie how can they trust ANYTHING else that comes out of her mouth.
I don't think BNE has even started yet, his summing up will be spectacular.
I truly thought she would change her plea because she couldn't hack it but obviously sooo wrong. What I see happening now though is her losing her temper, because she is losing control of the situation.
I actually think she might have been lucky and got a NG before she took the stand (don't get me wrong I think she is guilty but wasn't sure all the evidence was there for all cases) but now she is really stuffed.
I think you’re right, this is like a light bulb moment for me in terms of the babies and how she decided who to target. It was the nurses who she was angry with I think. She killed then on purpose because she was not good enough… in their eyes
I’ll suspend reality and take at face value that Forgetby didn’t mention the sewage in any of her texts with colleagues when discussing the sudden deaths and collapses of babies, and neither they nor she even mooted the idea of overflowing sewage being a reason for these unexpected, unexplained events.
However, during multiple police interviews, interviews with her defence barrister and not mentioning it even in passing is ridiculous. Myers would have instructed plumbers as experts to corroborate her story, asked her colleagues on the stand about the sewage, he would have found umpteen Datix’s from concerned staff members, even asked the parents of the victims. No, instead he has been blindsided by her mentioning it today for the first time. Bother Myers and Nick will now be digging for evidence to prove her correct, or a liar depending on the outcome of their investigations.
Today was a car crash for Forgetby, and she has loaded the bullets in the gun for Nick to fire at her. Forgetby has nailed the final nail in her coffin. Why would you be texting instead of caring for the babies if you really didn’t know which babies would die and how in advance of it happening.
She’s had YEARS to inform her defence team about the sewage, and poor Forgetby didn’t recall what an issue it was until today, on the stand.
Myers, you’ve got your work cut out.
However, during multiple police interviews, interviews with her defence barrister and not mentioning it even in passing is ridiculous. Myers would have instructed plumbers as experts to corroborate her story, asked her colleagues on the stand about the sewage, he would have found umpteen Datix’s from concerned staff members, even asked the parents of the victims. No, instead he has been blindsided by her mentioning it today for the first time. Bother Myers and Nick will now be digging for evidence to prove her correct, or a liar depending on the outcome of their investigations.
Today was a car crash for Forgetby, and she has loaded the bullets in the gun for Nick to fire at her. Forgetby has nailed the final nail in her coffin. Why would you be texting instead of caring for the babies if you really didn’t know which babies would die and how in advance of it happening.
She’s had YEARS to inform her defence team about the sewage, and poor Forgetby didn’t recall what an issue it was until today, on the stand.
Myers, you’ve got your work cut out.
This is really how it reads imoSooooo… on Friday she was speaking as little as possible and as short of answers as she could, and she crumbled. Today she was she same but she was pissed off, she was arrogant, snappy and verging on rude. She’s so self assured, almost cocky. She has a lovely accent but today she was fighting. IMO she was pissed about Friday and came back fighting. She blinks unbelievably fast when answering anything too I noticed it on Friday but it seemed even MORE today! She seemed irritated every single time she had to turn to a page, or open another file (which btw are hugeeeeeee some arch lever a4, and another one is shorter but the widest file I’ve ever seen. IMO she showed her true colours today, it’s all got to her and she was not happy about it. The prosecution as always was calm, polite and lovely with her but still made his points. I was surprised they didn’t bring up baby Es mum saying she heard the scream, and that it’s directly the mums word vs LL. It was a long day and at times hard to follow, I’m going to read the live feeds from today to digest it all and I’ll be back
she always sounds stroppy. She gives herself away so often. That attitude doesn’t strike me as someone desperately traumatised, so traumatised they can only recall very specific things that help their case. Nor does it strike me as someone feeling desperate because they’re wrongly accused. Even the bit about the sewage “it’s important to know” and “it’s a contributory factor” like sorry Detective Letby
thanks for letting everyone know.Not sure I agree on either point. In the nicest possible way.
If this was her best day, I'd hate to see her worst.
She is now obviously lying, and thrown even her best friend under the bus. I cannot see how anybody can think this was her best day. Unless her best day of showing how she is guilty counts.
On the other point of people wanting to believe the scapegoat theory, or if Lucy is testifying then she is innocent. I don't think that goes hand in hand with people rightfully being skeptical of what we are told in general.
I certainly don't blindly follow narrative, I'm not great at being told what to do. I hugely suspicious of authority and I don't think governments or large institutions really give a sh++t about us.
I think cover ups do happen. We know now how large institutions have covered up bad practice.
I do not really follow news or media at all, because, guess what I'm hugely skeptical about what we are being told most of the time. And yes, a lot of stuff I just don't believe.
I have followed this case, maybe because for a lot of us we simply cannot understand how this could ever happen.
I've said before, people want Lucy to be innocent to prove a point. The NHS has gone to the dogs and it proves an agenda. I actually understand why people want to see it that way.
I'm saying all if this because anybody who has followed this case closely will know by now, there is simply no way it was anything else apart from her.
Anything as ridiculous as if she takes the stand she is innocent, if she does this or that she is innocent. People will simply hear what they want to hear.
How, HOW does someone get threw all of their training masking these characteristics?? It is just beyond me and maybe because we aren’t being told yet, but perhaps she wasn’t as competent and took longer to complete certain qualifications, and maybe there were fitness to practice issues and other complaints, that can’t be reported yet as could impact on fair trialAgree. There is no way otherwise she could have dehumanised those poor tiny vulnerable newborns enough to torture them otherwise. She seems so devoid of emotion, empathy, all the normal human characteristics that would prevent a normal human with normal emotions from inflicting that agony on innocents and their parents. But sadly I don't think there is a way of identifying and weeding out potential Lucy's from entering nursing in the first place. AFAIK there is no test for 'do you have psychopathic tendencies. Hopefully once she is found guilty, measures will be put in place to prevent anyone being able to harm so many people in such a short period of time, but I guess people must have thought that after Allitt and here we are again.
When you see this chart in black and white with all the staff and their presence during the incidents it really hits home how few times others were present. I hope the jury have been shown this because it does point this out very clearly and simply.
I’m so glad Letby took the stand, she was too arrogant to keep quiet and now I’m really enjoying watching her go down
Quite possibly. It may be that gaps in her competence were identified but tbh I think it's more simple than that. As humans and nurses, we don't expect to find a serial killer in our midst and it would be the very last thing to think. I've worked with some shockingly incompetent nurses in my nursing life but they have just been incompetent, not murderous. And fortunately concerns were taken further with those nurses and two of the worst ones were struck off.How, HOW does someone get threw all of their training masking these characteristics?? It is just beyond me and maybe because we aren’t being told yet, but perhaps she wasn’t as competent and took longer to complete certain qualifications, and maybe there were fitness to practice issues and other complaints, that can’t be reported yet as could impact on fair trial
Even this lovely dog was taking what she said with a pinch of salt.
this is the hardest thing to explain to non-HCPs, but you have said it so well. It’s just not a mindset that I’ve ever had when it’s come to the reason for a deteriorating patient. What I’ve found really harrowing the last few days, and especially today, is that her taking the stand has shown she was more sadistic and less opportunist than I had believed from previous evidence. Things like getting others to document obs, changing obs in baby G, the blood in the nappy saga. If she truly did plan and follow through with her actions, then whilst she was in control of her emotions and the surroundings in the early days, there was almost no chance at all of ‘detection’ imo.
Its literally impossible for her to be on anything else. It has been stated by her defence, and by letby herself that she is taking anti depressants which have been prescribed by a GP.
A GP is not allowed to prescribe anything other than SSRIs, other than mirtazapine, which can make you drowsy the next day at first but this effect wears off after a couple of weeks.
Also, with mirtazapine, even if you double the dose from 15mg to 30mg (45mg being the maximum), it’s not the same as doubling the dose of a full sedative. The sedative effect of mirtazapine is the same in a 15mg tablet as it is in a 30mg or 45mg tablet. It is the antidepressant part that it contains more of (according to multiple psychiatrists, doctors, nurses and prescribers that have explained this to me over the years).
Also, a GP “diagnosis” of PTSD is based completely on what the patient describes. There is no investigation or assessment carried out. It’s only referred to more specialist mental health workers if those medications do not help the symptoms, and investigations and assessments carried out by them, possibly leading to stronger medications such as anti psychotics and mood stabilisers.
I actually feel sorry for NN as I think he was bought into their confidence under the guise of a proper investigation but they probably thought he would leak back to her she was off the hook, or let slip something she'd said....
I can imagine all in a room, "oh well in summary a terrible shame, must have been a fluke", he scuttles off to text her, all the while the rest of them ashen faced at the horrible realisation of the truth
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