Lucy Letby case #28

[Wellthisisinteresting]

Can anyone please explain the insulin poisoning to me in super simple terms.
would that be a separate bag or does insulin get added to another bag of fluid? Would too much of been added OR was it added to an IV line?
would the adding of insulin been done in a separate room if added to another bag?

YOU are all safe I am not in the medic world

 

[yellowmellow]

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Thanks Della, much appreciated

 

[F1Grid]

My overall opinion is G, because:

1. The two babies who were poisoned with insulin are undeniably foul play.
2. I believe both of those babies were murdered by the same person, because I think it’s far more likely that there’s one murderer on the unit than there are two.
3. There are only two nurses on for both of those shifts, LL and BS. LL was in the room with those babies, and BS was not.
4. LL is also on for multiple other collapses of well babies, like G and D and I. BS was not.
5. LL has lied in obvious ways in police interviews, such as the shredder, and not knowing about air embolus. These seem inconsequential, but it throws doubt on her account of everything for me.
6. LL has written a note where she said she killed those babies on purpose. I can buy that she’d write she’s killed those babies while in a spiral, but I can’t buy her writing that she did it on purpose.
7. LL is simultaneously the most experienced nurse on the ward (able to tell a baby is deteriorating just from its feet in low lighting), and someone who is out of their depth caring for babies with intensive care needs depending on which baby you ask her about.
8. LL was seen looking at a monitor with a baby’s (who had been stable mere minutes before) sats dropping, and not doing anything about it. That baby’s tube and feeding tube were all of a sudden dislodged.

Cant say why she did it, but these things are undeniable to me.

 

[Tofino]

Well.. would there though. There was a male nurse recently who killed via air embolism and to catch who was doing it the hospital upgraded cctv but only in corridors. He’s pictured going in just before their collapses. He also is pictured with a syringe coming out just after. His defence said he’d gone in to treat them
If similar with Letby I’m sure there would still be people and Benny boy saying the same sort of thing. Interesting case. The medical evidence of air is very similar to this one.

yeah would CCTV even pick up the difference of aspirating air vs injecting air??

Baby E’s mum walked in to find her baby bleeding and Lucy doing nothing. And Lucy sent her away. Then her following notes didn’t match mum’s timeline, which was proven with phone records.

Dr J walked in to find her stood over baby K doing nothing whilst she was desaturating and the tube dislodged.

Two separate people pretty much caught her red handed. People seem to want to ignore those testimonies though.

 

[F1Grid]

Can anyone please explain the insulin poisoning to me in super simple terms.
would that be a separate bag or does insulin get added to another bag of fluid? Would too much of been added OR was it added to an IV line?
would the adding of insulin been done in a separate room if added to another bag?

YOU are all safe I am not in the medic world

Insulin comes in a vial, so it’s drawn out of the vial with a needle and then injected into a bag of fluid to taint it.

If you’re doing a normal insulin administration you inject a bit of insulin under the baby’s skin, or you would put it into an infusion that’s clearly marked as insulin (and always run with glucose simultaneously) in certain situations.

 

[Wellthisisinteresting]

Insulin comes in a vial, so it’s drawn out of the vial with a needle and then injected into a bag of fluid to taint it.

If you’re doing a normal insulin administration you inject a bit of insulin under the baby’s skin, or you would put it into an infusion that’s clearly marked as insulin (and always run with glucose simultaneously) in certain situations.

Thanks so much Grid, I can picture that now

 

[Peepynose]

Long time lurker here, been reading along with all 28 of the threads but never posted.

I am in the guilty camp and really liked the pencil theory mentioned a while back, I’m hopeful the jury will be looking at the bigger picture. There’s just too many coincidences for it not to be Lucy and I think the prosecution have done a fantastic job bringing all the different threads/evidence together.

I have to admit BM is doing his job well, reading Lucy’s responses I did feel a bit sorry for her ( I know 🫣) and struggled to match up a serial baby killer to how she came across. Although I’m not sure what a baby killer would come across like?! But I then go back to all the evidence we’ve heard and there’s just too many coincidences. I just hope those poor babies’ families get the justice the answers they deserve after all of this.

Anyway that’s a penny for my thoughts. I’ve enjoyed hearing other people’s and reading the wiki @Tofino - fantastic work! And @DellaC your posts always make me laugh!

 

[jedwad87]

It’s super interesting to me that BM pursued the ‘poor me’ and ‘how hard this has all been for ME’ for LL’s first day of giving evidence e.g.: how hard for her it was getting arrested? Given she’d only cried for herself so far, to prevent the narcissist/self absorbed angle, I might’ve shifted my first line of questioning to the work put into becoming a nurse, the support network at that hospital and working conditions, how she would never have hurt the babies, burnt herself out trying to help them, how much she cared about them and her job etc.

He should’ve established all that then go into the poor mental health angle on another day.

 

[Moronic]

It's really crappy to see people expressing their opinions and people responding with laughing reactions or implying that they don't understand or can't read the wiki. Especially when people may not have posted for a while. I really don't understand why people take it so personally that someone has a different interpretation of the evidence.

I remain unsure for lots of reasons, I hope after following for so long I can fall on G/NG by the end of the trial but either way I'm happy to accept the jury's verdict as correct, given that they have heard so much more than we have.

THIS

There’s so many good points being put across from both sides. I find it really disrespectful that some people respond to others perspectives by laughing. This thread highlights just how differently people perceive things and the way peoples mind works. There’s nothing wrong with having a difference of opinion, otherwise what’s the point in discussing it if we all have to follow the majority like sheep .

 

[LittleMy]

Ok I have to ask, who laugh reacted what? I must’ve missed it (genuinely)

I think, if you have an opinion you just have to be prepared to back it up sensibly (and many have). Too many people come in saying “there’s no evidence” when we’ve just spent the last 7 or so months hearing evidence. That is ridiculous and I can see why people will laugh react in disbelief.

 

[xoxogossip_girl]

Legal background not medical but everytime I read anything about this case I’m shocked she didn’t plead guilty. The sheer amount of evidence and the fact there isn’t one other person who she can’t pin any of this on.

People will always struggle to see women, who are supposed to be nurturing and loving, as evil but I think that’s the case here. Defenceless babies and their families lives forever altered. So cruel.

 

[Deeznutslol]

Ok I have to ask, who laugh reacted what? I must’ve missed it (genuinely)

I think, if you have an opinion you just have to be prepared to back it up sensibly (and many have). Too many people come in saying “there’s no evidence” when we’ve just spent the last 7 or so months hearing evidence. That is ridiculous and I can see why people will laugh react in disbelief.

Yeah, I don’t get the ‘no evidence’ line tbh. If you don’t agree with the argument that the prosecution has put forward, then fair enough and feel free to say why. This is a discussion thread after all!
But coming on and making out like no evidence whatsoever has been present whatsoever is bizarre.

 

[Moronic]

Ok I have to ask, who laugh reacted what? I must’ve missed it (genuinely)

I think, if you have an opinion you just have to be prepared to back it up sensibly (and many have). Too many people come in saying “there’s no evidence” when we’ve just spent the last 7 or so months hearing evidence. That is ridiculous and I can see why people will laugh react in disbelief.

fair enough if you think it’s ok to laugh at someone that’s taken the time to put in their viewpoint. I personally wouldn’t, all perspectives add to a more interesting discussion after all.

 

[MedeaWho]

I’m in a guilty camp because of how often the baby would start deteriorating in her care. And abnormal mortality rate for babies who should have survived. And her constant attention seeking which I think was what started the whole thing.

 

[LittleMy]

fair enough if you think it’s ok to laugh at someone that’s taken the time to put in their viewpoint. I personally wouldn’t, all perspectives add to a more interesting discussion after all.

I think it’s ok to laugh react something that you find ridiculous. I’m not talking about the people on the fence or in the NG camp who can back up their thinking rationally, I’m talking about those obvious casual observers to the trial who jump on saying stupid things out of the blue with nothing to back it up when the rest of us have been following along for months. It’s hard not to be skeptical.

 

[IGiveUp22]

I’ve got absolutely no problems with people having different views, in fact, I love it. I love hearing the theories and the reasons why they’re still on the fence. I might not agree with them and want to ask a few questions back but I don’t think anyone should be ridiculed for their opinion.

HOWEVER, I had to bite at the comment yesterday that was actually down right rude. There was no need for it at all.
Some of the things people suggest are quite out there and sometimes that is quite funny. The laughing faces are likely meant in gest - this case is heavy & having a little humour thrown in does help well-being. The whole cuddly toy thing, yeah that’s silly to think if you have a stuffed animal you can’t be a murderer but I got what the poster meant by it. It’s not a “wrong” opinion. It’s not one I agree with but I understood the meaning behind it.

The comments I find frustrating is when people say there is no evidence. There is evidence, quite a lot of it, but if that doesn’t make you think she’s guilty that’s fine. You’re entitled to think that, we haven’t even heard all the defence yet but to come on & just say “there isn’t anything” is actually wrong.

 

[slingo16]

Absolutely, something we agree on! Whether the deaths were the fault of the hospital or the fault of Lucy, the senior staff turned a blind eye and the hospital failed to safeguard those babies from either further poor care or from a murderer. I think everyone agrees there was something seriously wrong with that hosptial. It doesn’t mean those babies must have all died from poor care though. Other failing hospitals have not resulted in a nurse being accused of murder.

Maybe Lucy saw a failing hospital and a perfect opportunity to try and get away with attacks. And it potentially worked for 12 months.

what I’m saying tho (another preconceived opinion of mine of course ) is that I don’t believe that the death rate could triple somebody could raise a concern about LL then the insulin results come in that undoubtedly prove foul play and still nothing is done. I’m saying that’s an impossible sequence of events, or a least incredibly unlikely anyway.

 

[LittleMy]

Have to add on to my last, I’ve always been an advocate of the people sitting on the fence/NG having the right to express their opinion on these threads. Even when I don’t necessarily agree, I respect their difference of opinion and most have been very good at explaining why they’re at where they’re at. I was on the fence myself for much of the earlier threads.

 

[Deeznutslol]

fair enough if you think it’s ok to laugh at someone that’s taken the time to put in their viewpoint. I personally wouldn’t, all perspectives add to a more interesting discussion after all.

That’s not what has happened though tbf. The people who come on and explain their arguments are listened to, people may not agree with them but on the whole they aren’t attacked for their opinions. It’s only people that come on and say stuff like ‘she’s a scapegoat’ with nothing to back it up who get the haha reacts bc at this point it’s just a ridiculous argument to be making.
Why would the hospital want her to be a scapegoat for general failings? That makes them look bleeping dreadful because not only did they allow babies to die, they allowed them to get murdered too. It makes no sense.

 

[IGiveUp22]

I also couldn’t give a flying monkeys if someone laughs at my posts. I think what I think based on the evidence that’s been presented. Also, im putting my opinions out there so I gotta understand not everyone will agree