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Any nurses putting a patients name in their diary to reflect on?
No, because once I finished a shift I left work behind. I don't believe her 'reflective practice' drivel. It's her ego again trying to show the jury she's studious. She was a dosser at work playing on her phone pretending to be 'the best nurse ever'.
 
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@Nurseali @Daisydunn15 @Serene Serena is that just a recommendation or do you have to do that to stay registered etc? Essentially would anyone check this?
You have to revalidate every 3 years, there are requirements you have to meet , such as practise hours. I usually have my ward manager sign mine off. A few get checked by the NMC but not all, it's more an audit thing.
 
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When my twins were in NICU in 2015 the pH level of the aspirate was checked every time they used the NG tube.
My baby was only in special care last week, they are always checked. It's how they know the tube is in the right position.

Even I know that and I'm a layperson not some super qualified gifted nurse who works in the field.
 
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@Nurseali @Daisydunn15 @Serene Serena is that just a recommendation or do you have to do that to stay registered etc? Essentially would anyone check this?
You have to do them to stay registered. Not too often just 5 every 3 years but it's good practice to do them more often. One ward I worked on we would have to do them individually before a debrief if there'd been a serious incident, or if you'd made an error of some kind. My current place I don't think anyone does them regularly.
 
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Maybe those in the profession can elaborate, but she’s not actually writing reflections is she?

She’s writing ‘LD - initials’ sometimes resus . It’s a prompt to remind her of something significant. If she was innocent wouldn’t she be writing more detail and reflecting on the actual significant event ?
Yip, exactly right.
 
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Yeah, I made a drugs error last month , I had to write a reflection explaining why I think it happened , what I would change.

It is good practise and was helpful. We were very short staffed , which is no excuse , I made an error . Luckily I underdosed , didn't overdose and I admitted it straight away as soon as I realised.
 
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No, because once I finished a shift I left work behind. I don't believe her 'reflective practice' drivel. It's her ego again trying to show the jury she's studious. She was a dosser at work playing on her phone pretending to be 'the best nurse ever'.
Yep couldn’t agree more. And she was so unconcerned with all the deaths at the start, I find it hard she would note the day the twins were born as reflective practice. Do midwives write in their personal diaries just the initials of babies born? It isn’t in any way normal or believable.
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Yeah, I made a drugs error last month , I had to write a reflection explaining why I think it happened , what I would change.

It is good practise and was helpful. We were very short staffed , which is no excuse , I made an error . Luckily I underdosed , didn't overdose and I admitted it straight away as soon as I realised.
Didn’t you consider it evil?! Honestly, hats off to you, what a stress 😰🩷
 
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So where are her actual work reflections of these incidents if it’s kind of the done thing? Surely they would be evidence (even if defence) to show her thoughts about what happened at the time?
 
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You have to revalidate every 3 years, there are requirements you have to meet , such as practise hours. I usually have my ward manager sign mine off. A few get checked by the NMC but not all, it's more an audit thing.
You have to do them to stay registered. Not too often just 5 every 3 years but it's good practice to do them more often. One ward I worked on we would have to do them individually before a debrief if there'd been a serious incident, or if you'd made an error of some kind. My current place I don't think anyone does them regularly.
thanks :) the initials definitely make sense in terms of jogging your memory but I still find it all a bit strange to be in your personal diary with no reflection along side. Even more so as she seems to have poor memory of things so you’d think an initial and a date probably wouldn’t be enough for her. I guess if there is evidence of personal reflection Ben will show that in due course.
 
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Didn’t you consider it evil?! Honestly, hats off to you, what a stress 😰🩷
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I felt awful as the patient had been with us a while , they had changed her pain relief and didn't tell me but I should have checked properly. When it's short staffed you literally don't have time to fart.
Which is why I find it so odd she says the unit is pressured but has time to be on her phone so much. Make your mind up 🤔
 
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Will ben think he can defo get her off with it or is it a case of any press is good press
I very much doubt he thinks he can get her off but thinks he can make sure she gets a fair trial so I think he would have the fair trial in his mindset.

He can’t stop her from testifying but what he can do is ask her fair questions and if she balls it up and it contributes to her being found guilty then that’s on her not him. He can only do so much and work with what he’s got.

He can’t avoid asking those questions like Facebook and paperwork etc as it would be obvious. He’s just not going to dig deep like prosecution will!
 
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So where are her actual work reflections of these incidents if it’s kind of the done thing? Surely they would be evidence (even if defence) to show her thoughts about what happened at the time?
And all the photos on her phone of the greetings cards that she so regularly takes pictures of after she's written them.
 
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My baby was only in special care last week, they are always checked. It's how they know the tube is in the right position.

Even I know that and I'm a layperson not some super qualified gifted nurse who works in the field.
Ahhhh how is your little love?
 
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A few things from me:

I understand reflections in health care but to me, what we’ve seen so far, doesn’t support a “reflection”. Potentially something to look back on but I think a bit more detail would be needed to jog the memory of someone who, in their words, had treated 100s of babies to then later be able to reflect on their exact actions at an event. So unless there is evidence to show her actual reflections then I don’t believe this to be case. This is what I would need as a jury member to cause me doubt. It’s not enough for it to be claimed this is what it was for and not be backed up with anything else to support this as what I have at the minute, doesn’t make me believe she could do any reflection at all.

The handover notes I can’t comprehend. Nothing she says makes any sense regarding them. There are so many of them so I find it hard to believe she didn’t know they were there. She’s also moved house repeatedly so will have gone through her belongings and she STILL didn’t either know they were there or destroy them. The whole shredder thing is a blatant lie. So if she can lie about that then that throws everything else into question for me personally. Again, this is the type of things I would be thinking if I was on the jury. Her answers are not plausible for the amount of paperwork that was there, the fact it shouldn’t be taken home and that some were stored in places they probably would only end up if she put them there deliberately.
 
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I think today has gone pretty much as expected. BM went easy on her, she cried for herself and not for the babies that died or were harmed and she sounds bleeping boring ( I won't repeat my Ellie Goulding comment because quite frankly I am eating tea in an hour and if I have to think about that before eating I will end up with heartburn).

She comes across as completely unremarkable in all ways apart from the fact she harmed babies.

She is a massive liar though, in police interviews she couldn't remember things but today had explanations for them (suppose 4 years on remand is a looooong time to get your story straight).

Also something else that struck me is that she used 'we' a lot instead of 'I'. Not sure why I find that so odd but I do.
 
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bleeping knew she would be an Ellie Goulding fan! That's sealed it for me, lock the witch up right now (incase it wasn't obvious I can't stand Ellie Goulding - sings like a goat).
Instead of raving in a field double dropping a couple of 'disco biscuits'
 
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I think today has gone pretty much as expected. BM went easy on her, she cried for herself and not for the babies that died or were harmed and she sounds bleeping boring ( I won't repeat my Ellie Goulding comment because quite frankly I am eating tea in an hour and if I have to think about that before eating I will end up with heartburn).

She comes across as completely unremarkable in all ways apart from the fact she harmed babies.

She is a massive liar though, in police interviews she couldn't remember things but today had explanations for them (suppose 4 years on remand is a looooong time to get your story straight).

Also something else that struck me is that she used 'we' a lot instead of 'I'. Not sure why I find that so odd but I do.
I think the “We” try’s to show she’s sharing the blame, it was a team that failed not “ I” / “Me”
Does sound totally odd to some of the questions she’s asked.
 
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I really want to know what her voice sounds like. At the moment I’m reading the answers in the podcast’s voice which I think is terrible (she needs to blow her nose!) 😬
 
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Is there any one on here who spent time in that specific NICU and can confirm if it is normal to see staff on phones? I know the ones i was in i didn’t see that but ultimately it may have a different standard to chester.
Very very rarely, over 3 and a half weeks saw it twice and it was when it was quite and not out on the floor but in the office. Also quite possibly when they were on a break!
 
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