Lucy Letby Case #26

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Hope not, it’s what I’m going to call my baby if she is a girl!

It’s nothing to do with LL, I’ve always really liked the name 😂 I also like Anne of Green gables and Lucy Maud Montgomery wrote that. I’m now wondering if we should go with another choice 😦
Lucy is a beautiful name. Nearly called my eldest Lucy but Mr London Gentleman was a twit about it and said no. She's called a similar pretty, girly name but one I would never have picked.
I got to choose with 2nd daughter though.
 
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Have you any pictures of the spare bedroom?
For a fellow non-ginger 🤓
😂 right handed too?
i don’t think any have been shared with the public so it’s just the one from Rightmove to work with. So this is the room the shredder sat in.
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Hope not, it’s what I’m going to call my baby if she is a girl!

It’s nothing to do with LL, I’ve always really liked the name 😂 I also like Anne of Green gables and Lucy Maud Montgomery wrote that. I’m now wondering if we should go with another choice 😦
My daughter is a Lucy. Don’t let this one awful person put you off. Mine is such a lovely young lady and very compassionate xxx
 
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It’s quite an odd house to purchase for your first house, three bedrooms in your early 20s and single 🤷🏻‍♀️

obviously doesn’t indicate psychopathic killer, but odd to of still had a room as a nursery setting.
 
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this is fantastic - I did a Masters in Medical Ethics and Law and you are taking me right back to my essay-writing/reasoning. Answered a few questions along the way for me re her mental health too, thank you.

@Milktray hope you’re doing ok, if you need any support however we can you know we’re here ❤
I suspected, given your ability to meticulously reason and analyse arguments, that you may have a background in Ethics/Philosophy/Law/Critical Reasoning 😉 ♥
 
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It’s quite an odd house to purchase for your first house, three bedrooms in your early 20s and single 🤷🏻‍♀️

obviously doesn’t indicate psychopathic killer, but odd to of still had a room as a nursery setting.
And it doesn’t even appear she had a guest room? Or at least she wasn’t utilising the shredder room as one. I don’t have my own place yet but all my friends that do have a spare bedroom set up for friends and family to stay in. I’d be curious to know if she had any actual real friends, not just people from work who she texted and socialised with occasionally.

Ladies, I was in primark today and nearly went for a pink zip up hoodie a la Lucy before catching myself. Am I being #influenced by her?
 
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And it doesn’t even appear she had a guest room? Or at least she wasn’t utilising the shredder room as one. I don’t have my own place yet but all my friends that do have a spare bedroom set up for friends and family to stay in. I’d be curious to know if she had any actual real friends, not just people from work who she texted and socialised with occasionally.

Ladies, I was in primark today and nearly went for a pink zip up hoodie a la Lucy before catching myself. Am I being #influenced by her?
It starts with the pink zipper, then the kitten heels, then…well, I’m not going to mention the giant suction dildo 🙄 🤣
 
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Do we know when this case is going to end? Presumably this is going to be the murder case to end all murder cases. I'm guessing the BBC etc have the Panorama special on ice. There will need to be an inquiry as well, to see if she could have been stopped sooner.
 
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Do we know when this case is going to end? Presumably this is going to be the murder case to end all murder cases. I'm guessing the BBC etc have the Panorama special on ice. There will need to be an inquiry as well, to see if she could have been stopped sooner.
Netflix are just waiting for this to finish. Could imagine she'll be on 24 hrs in custody as well.
 
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No, it’s completely wrong which makes me distrustful of the whole thing tbh.
I thought so! Thank you for confirming, I was really puzzled. Whoever that actually is can probably sue them!
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No it’s just a mock up of the original image of her. They probably weren’t allowed to use her image or something. It’s not that they’ve got it wrong and picked the wrong person, they will have googled her several times to get all the info from the case so impossible not to have seen the real image of Letby a million times. I’ve only listened to a few. It’s not groundbreaking stuff but so far a good quick refresher of everything she’s accused. Even I’m quick to forget sometimes the magnitude of it all 🤯
Oh OK, it's not a real women then? Kind of weird, surely they can use her image under fair use as its news?
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Jesus, kill a baby on Saturday, out for a Mexican on Sunday. That's a verse I don't remember Craig David singing 🤔
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This was the previous listing. The way the photos were taken makes it difficult to see if the decals or whatever were on previously. It was a nursery so it’s very possible.

The photos of those babies in the living room make me shudder. This was the previous owner though, right?
 
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A, C, D, K were the only babies not featured in the handover sheets according to the podcast.

A, C, D are supposedly her first three murders.
K probably wasn't ever on a handover sheet that LL would have had, as she was born during her shift and transferred out shortly after. They're usually made and printed shortly before handover.
 
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I have a family member who’s a raging (diagnosed) narcissist and LL’s texts really put me in mind of theirs.

They text constantly trying to push some sort of narrative to get attention and when you don’t give them the reaction they’re seeking they spit the dummy and have an almost huffy response… some of her texts really have a striking resemblance to the ones I’ve received from my family member.
 
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Also went back to the defence opening statement for a bit of an idea what might happen next...

  • "He said his speech, at this stage, will take about a couple of hours, and will break down the defence into three general areas: Letby and the general area of her defence, coincidence, and the medical evidence" So I'm assuming that the defence portion will be fairly short.
  • "There is plenty of disagreement between the prosecution expert evidence and the defence medical evidence" I'm also assuming that the defence has got a medical expert - though it's also been made clear that the current medical experts aren't actually working for the prosecution.
  • "You will hear in this case, that the air present after death does not indicate an air embolus." I'm assuming this is what the medical expert is going to be arguing.
  • "There were many occasions when "Lucy Letby was simply not there" when harm was being alleged." They're going to try and argue this, but I'd say the prosecution has done a pretty decent job of establishing through witnesses that LL was the person with most of these babies? There's no case where she's 'simply not there' that I've seen :confused:
 
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There were a couple of little extras in the podcast I thought were interesting with her messages to JKJ.
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This bit strikes me as jealousy (this is when she was told she couldn’t go in nursery one as they were trying to look after her, but she’s complaining Mel was able to go in even though she was really upset.)

Why send Mel in if she’s trying to look after us? She was in bits over it

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And then this bit just expands a bit more on liverpool womens. I’m really not sure how a second dying baby helped her get over the first! Not even logical

Unfortunately I’ve seen my fair share at the women’s but you are supported differently.

I lost a baby one day and few hours later was given another dying baby just born in the same cot space.

Girls there said it was important to overcome the image. It was awful but by end of day I realised they were right.

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Then this bit just sounds arsey to JKJ and also obsessive over the baby by saying ‘those who knew him’.


Anyway forget it. I can only talk about it properly with those who knew him and Mel not interested so I’ll overcome it myself.
So she tried talking about it with Mel but she was having none of it? I bet she's been told countless times she's becoming way too attached and overinvested in these babies and that it's not normal/healthy. The others don't wanna keep talking about it. It really seems like something happened in the last hospital that she had an extreme reaction to and potentially triggered all this? I wish I'd studied Psychology for longer now...

I never thought she'd take the stand but she does love attention and has no problem flaunting rules so if she wants to do it she won't let Ben talk her out of it I don't think.
 
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I think I can see where she’s coming from. A baby dies so she needs to work with another baby that doesn’t die in order to reset the traumatic memory.
Im really getting a gut feeling that she’s NG! The post it notes have swayed me. I listened to all the DM podcasts over the weekend.
Does anyone else think she’s NG?

p.s I am ginger too
but the example she gave from her time at liverpool women’s was that she was given another DYING baby - and that helped her get over the one before 🤢 (and we don’t know the facts of what actually happened there, she said her colleagues suggested it but that could be a lie).

I can understand the general idea, that it would bring some comfort seeing a live baby where a previous baby died but it was the intensive care cot, it would always have the sickest babies even if they don’t usually die. As they get better they would get stepped down to room 2-4 I believe.

I find it odd for a nurse to be particularly desperate for it to happen and then complain about it extensively when she didn’t get her way. She even complains another nurse who was in bits at the death of baby A got to go in room 1 and she didn’t.

Her discussion over it is just bizarre and even her best mate thinks it’s an odd request too.
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Oh and just to add after all that, baby C in room 1 collapsed just minutes later when Lucy was in room 1. And went on to die.

Coincidence?
 
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So she tried talking about it with Mel but she was having none of it? I bet she's been told countless times she's becoming way too attached and overinvested in these babies and that it's not normal/healthy. The others don't wanna keep talking about it. It really seems like something happened in the last hospital that she had an extreme reaction to and potentially triggered all this? I wish I'd studied Psychology for longer now...

I never thought she'd take the stand but she does love attention and has no problem flaunting rules so if she wants to do it she won't let Ben talk her out of it I don't think.
She also said Mel had been really upset after Baby A. Poor lass probably just wanted to get on with her shift after an awful time and had LL trying to hang around like some horrid grief vampire like she did with some of the parents. Glad Mel was having none of it.
 
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