Lucy Letby Case #23

[raspberryjuice]

This is awful. Just horrible. I have no words. At the very least she should have listened to concerns and done an investigation. People don’t go around accusing other staff of murder for no reason.

 

[raspberryjuice]

If only they’d listened. Awful.

 

[DellaC]

I just hope the sentencing is televised. I want to hear the Judge, not just read their words. I want to hear him tell the monster she'll never see daylight again.

 

[Lucyxxxx]

Just while it's in my head. This in a mad way has made me think of my little boy who has mild CP. When he was younger his individual symptoms were often being ascribed to other things and on their own weren't enough to diagnose. But as he's got older it's been like a jigsaw and putting all the pieces together and once together the picture emerges it's clear to see. Hope I'm making sense. Like Lucy each charge as a stand alone wouldn't see her convicted and tbh I wouldn't be convinced at all but when you put the jigsaw pieces together... the picture emerges. Bit of a crap analogy but just felt like sharing my little think piece.

 

[tay65]

I can't get my head around how blithely the execs dismissed the concerns of senior, very experienced medical staff with evidence that babies were in danger. At the very least, even if you didn't believe the accusation, you'd look into it from a bullying standpoint as it's such a wild accusation to make.

She's definitely fudged her LinkedIn timeline to disguise her involvement, so is obviously aware of her culpability. Though not enough to realise she isn't cut out for such high level (and high paying!) roles, judging by her continued career. Same as that other exec. If that was me, I'd have felt too guilty and responsible to keep chasing such influential jobs...the lack of introspection and self awareness of these higher ups is disgusting. All these dead babies, destroyed families and traumatised staff left in the wake of their catastrophic decisions...and they just skip happily on to their next big bucks leadership roles. I know they aren't the killers, but they were the enablers. Vile, and horrifying.

I bet Karen Rees never thought her name would be dragged into any of this. A few days after Dr Brearey telephoned KR, Letby was removed from NICU after discussions with other high ranking people but not before Letby had caused further harm, therefore KR probably thought she had managed to disappear under the radar but well done Dr Brearey for naming and shaming her in court yesterday. He also said when he phoned her she was aware of the concerns which had been raised previously which should have been an even bigger trigger for immediate action.

Karen's Linkedin profile. Now shes the professional on employees wellbeing ...

No mention of Countess of Chester I wonder why that is.
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I bet Karen Rees never thought she would be dragged into any of this. A few days after D

No mention of Countess of Chester I wonder why that is.

Doctors totally let down by the senior management and particularly Karen Rees .

Some further bits in the Mail article:

'We wanted the support of the medical director and the executives of the hospital. We were acting on facts, not beliefs. We were trying to escalate appropriately with the facts we had at the time'.

He added: 'I've not been to the police over neonatal deaths and I don't think any other neonatal lead has. I needed executive support. I was doing as much as I could'.

Dr Brearey said of Ms Rees' refusal to bar Letby from duty on the unit despite her association with the collapses: 'She believed that Nurse Letby could not have done that'.

He went on to elaborate on some of his discussion with the executive, saying: 'I had a conversation suggesting she (Letby) should have the weekend off.

'Karen Rees gave me the impression that she didn't agree and didn't think it was a reasonable request'.

He recalled Letby later walking past him, appearing 'happy and upbeat'.

'She looked me in the eye very confidently'

https://www.archive.is/oldest/https...e-warnings-Lucy-Letby-responsible-deaths.html

Yesterday BM questioned why Dr Brearey had not gone to the police (almost a criticism by BM). Dr Brearey explained that he wanted to escalate the concerns to hospital bosses first. It makes you wonder had Dr Brearey gone directly to the police whether the police would have actually done anything immediately. Look at the case of Wayne Cousins he had been reported to the police for indecent acts but the police took no action and he went on to murder. Reports about Shipman weren't immediately believed too. Allitt was another. Dr Brearey and Dr Jayaram should be commended for their efforts and not pulled apart by BM.

 

[Tofino]

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Looks like no restrictions on reporting the name of the senior exec.

 

[DellaC]

If I was accused of the worst crime possible I wouldn't need to take the stand....I'd be shouting my big gob off everyday and giving old Dan O'D some reet tasty content for his 11 daily tweets

 

[OldBlondie]

I'm interested to see how she was put on admin duties and what her reactions were to this.

I could be wrong but at this stage I think this is what her grievance is, if it was anything else then surely we would have at least had a hint of it by now. I can really picture her being furious about admin and raising a complaint. Even though she’s been put on admin to stop her murdering anymore babies. The fact she still showed up to work everyday for what, at least a year+? Shows how removed from reality she is

I keep thinking of what the doctor said last week, about how she passed him in the corridor, happy and confidently smiling. It's haunting.

100% this, murders two babies within 24 hours and attempts another the next day, then the next minute she’s all happy and smiling. I don’t think she even had an inkling that SB was onto her from the way she was confidently smiling away at him just the very next day

It’s utter madness …. How on earth did she think she would get away with this ?

This is why I think she’s an attention seeking psychopath who honestly thought she was unstoppable, and going by how some think she’s innocent I can see how she thought she’d get away with it by committing “the perfect crimes”.

The fact she kept the medical notes and paperwork (under her bed) relating to the babies in this case and sympathy card on her phone etc even after the investigations began, suggests to me she wasn’t worried in the slightest about getting caught. Will be very interesting to hear about the moving to admin did she actually not realise why she had been moved
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Oh god....I've been unsure and on the fence all the way up til now, there is something v sinister about her interactions with the DR, I think it was a ploy to show off to him, to show what a competent nurse she was while "saving" them, sadly she diced with death and death won, god knows how many other attempts there has been. 100% an attention seeking ploy and saviour complex, will be interested to see the poll results in next thread off the back of today.

I think it makes perfect sense now why the prosecution included texts early on with all the sympathy from colleagues and her txts with explanations on how the babies died. And the fate text. And the salsa and betting texts and basically all the texts that were all me me me. It’s establishing a very clear pattern that is even clearer now that Noname is involved, the sympathy she craved with the early babies is now evident with Noname. And also as you said she has a god/saviour complex, it all suddenly has clicked and made sense. I think Nick is going to make an excellent closing argument where he will tie it all together and show us exactly what he’s been building up to the whole way through. I think the media attention is going to really pick up after Easter too. It actually came up on my Snapchat stories for the first time tonight and my teenage daughter also has recently seen/heard it for the first time too. LL is the worst female serial killer and is going to be notorious, and the Netflix series will be out before the end of the year

 

[Tofino]

Just sitting here processing everything I’ve heard so far about O&P (and obvs there’s going to be way more we haven’t heard about). This is nuts when you think about it, she’s away on hols whilst on hols Noname tells her about the triplets, the minute she’s back she kills one within just a few hours of starting her shift. Bleeps Noname back herself to NNU after she makes her first attempt on O’s (the stronger ones) life, Noname then leaves to update parents and she goes for him the second time, and bleeps Noname back again herself. Then exchanges messages about O with colleagues and Noname most of the evening/night after killing O. Comes back in the next day, kills P (pricking herself in finger on the final resuscitation attempt). Goes to a&e where Noname makes sure she’s seen quickly, and she tells him how everyone knew what had happened and was talking about it Messages Noname the rest of the night after he takes her home after a&e. Throws in a few dramatic performances in the hospital were she’s bawling her eyes out and as upset as the parents, dresses both O and P after she’s killed them both, within 24hrs of each other and 24hours of being back to work after two weeks off (two incident free weeks), and then photographs and wheels them into the parents forever tainting the parents last memories. Txts Noname saying about how the two deceased (by her hand) babies looked together in the cot. Throws in a weird txt about the parent’s age. Makes up some explanations of what may have caused their sudden deaths which she txts to colleagues. Won’t take the weekend off as suggested by consultant (especially after her dramatic floods of tears performance). Goes back to the work the next day (sat) and is all happy go lucky the very next day. I mean this sounds like some made up horror plot. She’s an absolute monster and this shows her for exactly the torturous psychopath she is

As if all that wasn’t enough, she goes back to work the next day and tries to kill baby Q…

 

[OldBlondie]

For anyone checking for live updates today:

Also I know I called him adam instead of Dan in the last message, bloody predictive text did it not me

 

[raspberryjuice]

I hope the student nurse got all the support needed. It must have been awful for her right at the start of her placement. Enough to make you give up, I’d expect. People would have been looking at her as they’d not be thinking of it being LL at first. Poor woman.

 

[helcob1977]

I must admit to being a right saddo and doing a deep facebook dive last week and found some photos of Lucy Letby and friends when she was a lot younger that I don't think I've seen in the press.

Even though I've been firmly of the belief she's guilty from the start (although open to admitting I'm wrong if the evidence isn't compelling enough) , she looks so bloody wholesome, inoffensive and dorky in these pics that even I thought "there must have been a mistake, she can not be capable of these heinous crimes!" So for me to think that when I've strongly believed she did it I can totally see how she managed to go under the radar for a long time! If she is guilty I think her friends and family are going to be absolutely shell-shocked.

Her poor colleagues, they must be traumatised, I'd never trust anyone ever again after this!

 

[MmmB777]

This is absolutely heartbreaking for so many reasons I want to string some of these senior execs up myself I’m so angry, I can’t imagine how the families must feel. I know ultimately it’s Lucy responsible but the hospital seriously lacked any safeguarding and duty of care to these babies. They could have prevented Lucy from doing this but they turned a blind eye.

I hope the exec is happy to take responsibility now. Wonder if they already resigned.

Famous last words or what. I take full responsibility. I know only Letby alone is to blame. Nobody could have thought she was capable. But safeguarding means thinking the worst is possible. They were told. This doctor must have been beside himself to call. He looks like a nice man, dedicated he tried so hard to save baby O. They were not ill, they did not decline, they’re not victims of cpap death which is such a tiny chance and after days on end on high pressure in teeny poorly babies. They should be happy children, a miracle three identical boys. She is evil.

 

[gimmethattea]

Todays evidence from doctor B!!! Expressed concerns after baby O and requested that letby shouldn’t be allowed back until child O’s death had been properly investigated!! He was refused wtf. And then she strikes again. Evil evil evil. I think she knew they were closing in on her which is why she ramped up her attacks

Those poor parents of Baby O, P and Q. All three of their triplets should be running around their house and they sadly only have one. I cannot believe the consultants weren't taken seriously. Just awful.

I can't lie, if I was those parents I don't think I'd be able to contain myself if I had to sit and listen to this evidence now and I completely admire them if they have been sat in court. In fact, I admire all the parents in this whole trial.

I am really hoping the jury reach the guilty verdict soon as these families deserved some form of peace already.

 

[DellaC]

The Facebook searches have always irked me a little, it's not being nosey. It's gloating on people's misery and grief (in my view darlings).

Baby O arrived when she was on holiday, she murdered him on the first day she got back to work. She hadn't spent days or weeks nursing him, getting to know his parents and their story, she gave no care to him. She probably fantasised about the 'ultimate' murder of triplets and she very nearly succeeded.
She searched him on his anniversary because she murdered him and she got satisfaction from seeing the broken remnants of his family. It probably turned the sick, twisted bitch on.

Apologies, these triplets have gotten to me this week. It's been a long case and I just feel so enraged by it all. I hope I don't come across as a bit of a psycho myself

 

[docmum]

Thank goodness for the awareness and confidence of Dr Brearey to know something was off, and to speak up. Even though it was glossed over initially by the coffee shop hospital management team (don’t get me started on hospital managers), he obviously gave others the confidence to admit their concerns.

 

[Takemetoyourbuffet]

Face not fitting? Aren’t most of the pictures of her on nights out with the staff from the hospital? Every single person she’s texting is a colleague?
Boo hoo, it’s a job not a social club, you don’t go to work to make friends you go to do your fucking job and if you happen to make friendships it’s a bonus.

If I went on a break and saw her sitting in the staff room on her own I'd go and sit in my car

 

[Appletiser]

I think a serial killer will always find a way somewhere. I think she would have done a Cullen (USA) and moved between numerous hospitals throughout the country over several years had she not have been caught. But the numbers she went through already in one unit shouldn’t have gone as far - it didn’t go unnoticed though as the doctors noticed. Management who didn’t act (I’m looking at you Karen Rees) enabled harm to babies to continue longer.

I wonder what she’d have done if hadn’t become a nurse!
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Still on the fence and keeping an open mind but am edging closer to G every day. Have listened to the last couple of podcast episodes, snippets of Chester standard and scrolled through here. The thing is I’m very easily swayed and need to focus on the facts. I get quite riled up by MmmB and Blondie then I’ll read from someone NG/ on the fence and start to think “surely she’s not done this”

I think my personal issue with seeing LL as guilty is that in some ways I identify with LL (hear me out!) not just the facts we’re same age, female and working in a hospital but random little things like having done nosy Fb searches that I shouldn’t have, being a bit ‘awkward’, even the hypothyroid thing.
I have always struggled with intrusive thoughts and these got really bad when I was 18 and worked in childcare. I started to have these distressing thoughts and I started to genuinely believe I was an evil, horrible person. That’s another thing that makes me question the note. I can imagine having scrawled a similar thing (I know the “on purpose” bit is a weird one though).
Obviously I’ve never actually harmed or wanted to harm anyone and I’m not a baby killer I saw a great therapist and have been told I’ve got anxiety and OCD but I still struggle with it to do with my own baby sometimes.

Don’t get me wrong, I also identify with the parents too as being a mum of a little one (Not a NICU parent though, had an emergency caesarean but a full term bub.)
I can’t even imagine it.
I try to focus more on LL than those babies and kind of just look at the facts as it’s too unbearable to even think about.

God I’m even starting to compare myself to her by this me-rail thinking am I a narcissist, inserting myself like this and making it about me
And keep thinking does it make me a weirdo if I’m so invested in this trial and reading about it every day and even looking forward to hearing updates ..but obv a lot of us doing that. I do have empathy for the babies and their families and just want the jury to get it right.

but no sorry for that ramble

 

[mRsKbRoOkS]

I think she will take the stand! She needs to explain her self guilty or not. She has no hope of walking out of court, imo otherwise, with the evidence presented so far and I think she would be very aware of that. How would it benefit her not to ? Unless….. she is guilty. I know I know she isn’t the one to have to prove any thing, it is for the prosecution to prove her guilt. And the jury arn’t supposed to make inferences of her guilt based on her not taking the stand. However, the jury is only human and I can bet should she choose not to it will sway some of the jury members opinion’s, it would for me anyway. This isn’t a normal trial, the amount of evidence presented is huge, if I were on the jury I would be scratching my head at why an innocent person, with so many allegations against them wouldn’t want to have their say.

I guess time will tell…..

 

[Milktray]

Todays evidence from doctor B!!! Expressed concerns after baby O and requested that letby shouldn’t be allowed back until child O’s death had been properly investigated!! He was refused wtf. And then she strikes again. Evil evil evil. I think she knew they were closing in on her which is why she ramped up her attacks View attachment 2027283

Its a strong witness account. He's not held back from telling court, the exact person who he spoke to regarding his concerns and that it was shrugged off. That doesn't put the CoCH in a good light.
I'm interested to hear what the duty exec nurse has to say.