Lucy Letby case #22

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Daisydunn15

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Haveyouanywool said:
Band 5s are staff nurses and band 6 are senior staff nurses.
She probably took on additional neonatal specific training to be termed a practitioner but that would normally correspond to a higher banding too.
Nursery Nurses would probably be band 4.
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On our wards the 6s are clinical leads, the acute hospital they're junior sisters so it must be different everywhere. 5s always seem to be staff nurses tho!
 
avabella

avabella

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raspberryjuice said:
Pretty miraculous that he guessed he left it 2-3 minutes before checking on LL because of that niggle he had about her and then all those years later the actual evidence of the swipe data and the collapse record shows it was exactly that. With LL confirming there was no alarms sounding at the time, so Dr J having no reason to pop back in, it’s pretty solid confirmation that his version is correct.
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He knew the other nurse had left though? So he wasn’t corroborating her timing?
 
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dual2099

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starshine89 said:
I was born through treatment similar to IVF in the late 80s so there was definitely treatment available - i just don’t think It was so easily accessible as is it is these days on the nhs x
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Less common for sure, but you are right, there were fertility treatments, just not as common as now, she’s 33 so by 1990 it could have been gaining momentum. It’s not impossible she was a child of fertility treatment and back then it was far more common to have multiples because of it.
 
EffingDust

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MmmB777 said:
Sizzling chemistry off both of them 🤣 just thinking back to what my messages were like with blokes I fancied at that age 😬 not discussing childhood thyroid issues that’s for sure 😬
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Where can I see these messages? I think I have missed some of them as I haven’t read the thyroid bit
 
avabella

avabella

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raspberryjuice said:
He couldn’t have known the door data would back up his version years later.
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Hmm I’m not sure it means a huge amount, the nurse told him she was leaving and that LL was ‘babysitting’. It does match up but I’m not sure I see it aa hugely significant.
 
chizontiz

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Hi all, coming into this mega late and have been trying to read up on everything over the last couple of days but there's obviously so much to go through. Something I'm not clear on is did any of the babies have post-mortems? I know not all of them did, but if some of them did and they've determined cause of death then I think that will help straighten it all out in my head a bit! If someone could clarify quickly I'd be grateful.

Must be so horrendous for the families. A never-ending nightmare.
 
chizontiz

chizontiz

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Tofino said:
There were a couple. I’ll see if I can find them quickly.

The prosecution do have a reviewing pathologist though but they have not taken the stand yet so I’m interested to hear what they have to say.
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Actually more than I remembered

Baby A - The case was referred to the coroner and the cause of Child A's death was 'unascertained' at the time.

(An independent pathologist described the cause of death was 'unascertained', in that there was nothing in the autopsy that pointed to why Child A had died, but the cause was most likely 'exogenous air administration through the longline or UVC'.)

Baby C - The cause of death was ‘widespread hypoxic/ischaemic damage to the heart/myocardium’ due to lung disease, with maternal vascular under perfusion as a contributary factor.

(The prosecution added an independent pathlogist said the skin colour changes in Child C were likely caused by prolonged unsuccessful resuscitation.
Child C had pneumonia, but the pathologist concluded Child C died as a result of having an excessive quantity of air injected into his stomach via the nasogastric tube (NGT).)

Child D - The coroner gave the cause of death as "pneumonia with acute lung injury."

Baby I - Hypoxic ischaemic damage of brain and chronic lung due to prematurity and 1b. Extreme prematurity.

Baby O - A post-mortem examination found free un-clotted blood in the peritoneal (abdominal)space from a liver injury. There was damage in multiple locations on and in the liver. The blood was found in the peritoneal cavity. He certified death on the basis of natural causes and intra-abdominal bleeding.

He observed that the cause of this bleeding could have been asphyxia, trauma or vigorous resuscitation

(Dr Andreas Marnerides, the reviewing pathologist, thought that the liver injuries were most likely the result of impact type trauma and not the result of CPR. He certified the cause of death to be “Inflicted traumatic injury to the liver and profound gastric and intestinal distension following acute excessive injection or infusion of air via a naso-gastric tube” and air embolus.)

Baby P - A post-mortem examination had the coroner concluding Child P died from Sudden Unexpected Postnatal Collapse but he was unable to identify the underlying cause. He certified the cause of death as “prematurity”.
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Super helpful, thank you! Do we know if the prosecution have CCTV footage of her doing any of the above (particularly injecting air into the NGT - I imagine there would be some kind of CCTV set up where the babies are? But then again maybe not, I don’t know), or are we expecting that to follow?