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I wouldn't say attractive but in some of those pics from when she was nursing she has what I'd describe as a bit of a (hate to say this) baby face - full cheeks, rounded kind of features and something about her smile makes her look quite young and unassuming.

A few have asked if she had a partner and/or children herself. I don't think she did. I'm sure in news reports a few years ago friends etc described her as quite geeky and awkward.
Something which has always stuck with me is in the early days I remember the media saying how she seemed normal and she had two cats and doted on them. How can you love a cat and not want to harm it but want to kill a baby?It’s impossible to comprehend. Although having said this didn’t Myra Hindley have a dog she adored and wept when she was told it was pts.
I wonder what it is that makes them this way - most killers start off on animals.
 
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Im thinking she's guilty its early days and already a sinister picture is building yes that could change with the defence but Im a random on tattle not the jury so me being pretty confident in my opinion already really harms nobody and Im not afraid to turn round and admit I got it wrong if evidence sways me that way.
 
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I can’t stop thinking about or reading about this case. My baby girl was born in June and spent just over 2 weeks in NICU with sepsis, acute kidney failure and respiratory issues. She had a central IV line, cannulas, feeding tube, was on a ventilator… the thought that somebody could purposely harm these tiny little babies makes me feel sick to my stomach. You put so much trust in the nurses, especially at night time when you have to leave them, you think oh they’re safe they’re in the best place. It’s so so sad I can’t quite put into words what I want to say.

Part of me wants to stop reading about it but I can’t 😢😢
 
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I’ve not been on a jury before but we’re all human, of course they’re meant to & are advised to keep an open mind, some of them might be swaying towards guilty now, others might not… they’ll likely be going through the motions as we are as all the evidence is produced throughout the trial. I don’t envy them at all & as someone else said, we’re getting a summary as part of the live reporting, I imagine they’re getting much more detail even now 😞
 
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At 9pm mum walked in on letby and blood was coming from babies tube I think it said . she Sent the mother back up and didn’t put that in the notes . Phone records show the mum rang her husband as she was worried .

doesn’t exactly look great

ive worked on extremely busy wards for 12 hours my daily notes have always been done exactly how the day happened for each patient . I know how much the notes are important any health professionals will tell you the same . So the fact she decides not to write that down is dodgy . Especially when it’s not a normal thing to happen . You would want to cover your own back if anything
Exactly my thinking. As Nurses it is sadly driven into us to cover yourself! Anyone I know would document that encounter - OR at least plan to. Very easy to get busy, distracted and forget.
 
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I'm just catching up on the events of today and I'm sobbing now. Very distressing. I hope the jurors are offered the necessary support if they need it.
 
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I feel for her parents getting papped every day going to court. I can't imagine how they feel. Yes they are supporting their daughter, but they must have doubts about her. I wonder also how locals where she lived think? Imagine a story this big happening in your own small little village. I would love to know what the locals think who have known her since she was a small kid like school friends, neighbours etc.
Hey I’ve been lurking but popping on to say im a local - born and bred in Hereford 😊 and my friend used to live two doors from her when she lived with her parents before moving up north to do her nursing. The news when it first came out was shocking in the area and on our Hereford fb pages they’ve had to turn off comments to stop people giving their opinions - not sure if you know but Hereford is such a small place, everyone knows everyone sorta vibe. Me and my friends and fam have been discussing throughout and most have the view she is innocent! I’m super undecided and waiting to hear all the evidence and from the defence team. But yeah general mixed reviews in Hereford! Makes me shudder if she is guilty knowing she lived just down the road 🫠
 
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We can write notes and put written in retrospect. As if my patient needs interventions the last thing I will do is be writing things down. Plus if you’re busy and going to scan you can just document what you have done up to that time. But yeah I couldn’t write in the notes the next day, but it doesn’t have to be real time. Patient safety comes first always.
100%. Only thing I would write the next day is something minor I had forgotten. 'Threw patients soiled socks away with NOK's permission'. Anything big is, hopefully, remembered and documented before going home that day. Note writing en route to an unstable CT isn't always as doable as people think. ;)
 
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It’s strange because they’ve decided Baby A was her ‘first’ victim and then we have seen how close together and frequent the other collapsed happened but what could trigger a sudden mass murdering spree?
The pattern is interesting. In particular the three week gap between one attempt then two attempts on the same day (Baby G I think). In cases of sexual assault and serial murder such patterns can suggest a period of time where an urge had been satisfied, then a build up phase which could have involved looking a social media, fantasies/reliving past crimes etc, building to a need to commit an attack again.
 
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Something which has always stuck with me is in the early days I remember the media saying how she seemed normal and she had two cats and doted on them. How can you love a cat and not want to harm it but want to kill a baby?It’s impossible to comprehend. Although having said this didn’t Myra Hindley have a dog she adored and wept when she was told it was pts.
I wonder what it is that makes them this way - most killers start off on animals.
Yes, Myra's dog underwent some procedure to try and ascertain it's exact age (I think because it had been in some photos of what the police believed to be burial scenes, so they thought that by finding out exactly how old the dog was, they could narrow down how long ago the photos had been taken) but the dog didn't survive the procedure, and when she was told she went nuts and screamed that the police were murderers.

Dennis Nilsen also had a dog didn't he, having pets clearly doesn't exclude someone from being a murderous hole!
 
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I think a lot of this must have come down to the picture that built up and then evidence found to support it. Like the Facebook searches, so far they've mentioned she searched the families of 1) a baby she directly looked after that died, 2) a baby she was not directly looking after who died, 3) a baby she was not directly looking after who did not die. What do those 3 have in common, what is her reason for searching for them all, and on the same day? Of course we know now that what they have in common is that she's since been charged with their murders and attempted murders.

They obviously think they have enough evidence to support a conviction so it will be interesting to see how it all comes together and how it's defended.
 
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I'm not actually reading the thread at the moment just came on to say that hearing about those mothers and babies on the news is distressing enough.
Maybe for now I will leave it like that 😪😔🤧
 
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It will be interesting to hear what was specifically said to her friends. And especially what her friend said that queried it and the way Lucy responds.

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100%. Only thing I would write the next day is something minor I had forgotten. 'Threw patients soiled socks away with NOK's permission'. Anything big is, hopefully, remembered and documented before going home that day. Note writing en route to an unstable CT isn't always as doable as people think. ;)
Any notes we write must be done on/end of shift. Coming on duty the next day to 'complete' notes of my previous shift. No, definitely not.
 
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Does anyone remember the Essex lorry deaths? the driver was found guilty but prior to being convicted he had quite a following of support and he looked like a really nice guy and no one really thought he was capable and loads of people thought he was a scapegoat and that he had no involvement and people really felt sorry for him but he was involved all along. That absolutely makes me feel sick to my stomach that there is a possibility she could actually be guilty.
 
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Regarding all the ‘she doesn’t look the type’ stuff, I find it fascinating from a psychology POV! Anyone know of any books/papers on the phenomenon of doubting someone’s guilt who has a pretty face over someone less so?
You would need to research physiognomy. Lots of research - uncertain on how recent that research is, but thought that might be a good starting point!
 
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Does anyone remember the Essex lorry deaths? the driver was found guilty but prior to being convicted he had quite a following of support and he looked like a really nice guy and no one really thought he was capable and loads of people thought he was a scapegoat and that he had no involvement and people really felt sorry for him but he was involved all along. That absolutely makes me feel sick to my stomach that there is a possibility she could actually be guilty.
I know of that case very well being where I am from. And I know people who sat beside him in school classes and said 'he was a lovely lad'. I am a fair believer in we truly know no one only ourselves. People from school, or the workplace, while they can give a character reference, I don't believe its solid enough to say what someone is truly like. I take every one as I find them, but I wouldnt scream innocence just because I thought they were a nice person.
 
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I think it might be a few more days before we here from the defence, given only on baby G.
Is her defence going to be she was very unlucky and just happened to be on shift and at there cots when they were all murdered or attempted murder.
 
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