What did they mean when they said about milk in the babies . Was she supposed to have pumped to much milk in sorry I'm not sure what it meant
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Some of these babies were probably tiny as in 1-2lb. They can only handle a few mls at most of milk at a time so more than they could handle possibly?
Will she automatically get pyscho evaluated or is that only if she claims insanity and tries to use that as a defense ?
That’s what I was thinking. Irresprive of tjr verdict this is a massive police effort and it won’t stop on verdict day, there will be a lot of potential associated work, staff support, resource planning, lessons learned , policy change etc , one way or another so the duration may be reflective of all of that.
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Due to the babies prematurity they can only tolerate as little as 1ml a day sometimes they can’t have any milk and rely on intravenous nutrition. It can cause lots of problems but most fatally it can cause NEC
Hi everyone. Looking forward to joining you all for the next 6 months or so as we see this trial through until the end. I’m reserving judgement for now as it’s easy to get emotional with only one side of the story getting off the ground so far.
i joined you for Star and Arthur’s trials but just read and didn’t say anything.
i joined you for Star and Arthur’s trials but just read and didn’t say anything.
Maybe that's where the Facebook use came in then, to find out where the family lived and make it easier to target victims
Also very true! I know I’m a tit magnet, so if you audited how many of my patients arrest or require urgent unplanned surgery 5mins into my handover, I wouldn’t look too good… But then if you delved deeper and said oh she’s post course, is a senior 5, has the complex patients more often, often has a student or supernumerary Nurse to teach, etc, it makes a little more sense… Circumstance needs explaining for sure!
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Looked on the Twitter account some of you mentioned. These 2 Tweets are interesting.
Injected milk?! That’s not an accident…
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Just wondering, for those who work in this field, if someone in your care dies, particularly a child, does the hospital provide any emotional support? Or is it a case of it being part and parcel of being a nurse and you need to just get on with it? Asking, as someone said she could have done this for attention and I remember the nurses crying and hugging when my friend's baby niece died, so could it be that kind of attention she was after? Poor Lucy, sort of thing?
On another note relating to milk, when one of my children was in NICU, expressed breast milk was kept in a communal fridge in a small kitchen just off the ward. It never crossed my mind someone could tamper with it, but it would be very easy looking back, as I spent a lot of time in that kitchen alone, as would many other parents.
On another note relating to milk, when one of my children was in NICU, expressed breast milk was kept in a communal fridge in a small kitchen just off the ward. It never crossed my mind someone could tamper with it, but it would be very easy looking back, as I spent a lot of time in that kitchen alone, as would many other parents.
A slight tangent but I binge watched the Netflix series “I am a murderer” (something like that name anyway) and it really made me think about rushing to judge. Hard in this case but there it is. It begins with the murderer giving their version. Then you get the investigator / detectives version, and the families version. And I switched so quickly it was scary. One man was serving life / no parole for “accidentally” shooting his girlfriend whilst fiddling with their guns after going hunting. He then shot half his own face off trying to commit suicide. I actually felt sorry for this man! He seemed heartbroken and devastated by what he has done.
But then you get the other side of the story and wow I felt a right idiot! Because he was just a liar. Everything he said was basically a twisted warped untruth. Even his friend couldn’t understand it.
I felt like the most inadequate judge of character. And he wasnt the only one I initially felt bad for, then realised that there are always at least two versions of every event. What I’m trying to say is it will be interesting to hear both sides. And I’m going to try super hard not to rush before I’ve heard both. As much as it seems ridiculous this could be anything else……
I hope finally one day these poor poor families get the answers they must desperately need.
But then you get the other side of the story and wow I felt a right idiot! Because he was just a liar. Everything he said was basically a twisted warped untruth. Even his friend couldn’t understand it.
I felt like the most inadequate judge of character. And he wasnt the only one I initially felt bad for, then realised that there are always at least two versions of every event. What I’m trying to say is it will be interesting to hear both sides. And I’m going to try super hard not to rush before I’ve heard both. As much as it seems ridiculous this could be anything else……
I hope finally one day these poor poor families get the answers they must desperately need.
Urgh this trial is already looking awful.
I’m following it because my nephew was in NICU the same time letby was there at the countess and it still freaks me out now.
I’m following it because my nephew was in NICU the same time letby was there at the countess and it still freaks me out now.
That’s an interesting take! I know some Nurses who seem to enjoy being the busiest on shift, the woe is me parade! Could definitely be for some attention.
Depends on the death I think. In ICU it’s sadly expected that patients do die, I know if we have a particularly traumatic/unexpected death or death of a child/long term patient, there are debriefs and TRIM practitioners are offered. Guess everywhere is different though.
Won’t she be one of Britain’s worst serial killers if she’s found guilty?
I think one of the sticking points here for me is that she’s female and was operating alone (again if found guilty) it’s so unusual. Usually murderers are predominantly male and if a female is involved, in most cases they’re operating alongside a man.
The whole case is heartbreaking
I think one of the sticking points here for me is that she’s female and was operating alone (again if found guilty) it’s so unusual. Usually murderers are predominantly male and if a female is involved, in most cases they’re operating alongside a man.
The whole case is heartbreaking
We usually have an immediate debrief but it’s very quick and it’s usually to give everyone some love. Usually the other families who have witnessed it to a degree needs some support too so you have to pull yourself together quite quickly. Then at a later date a proper debrief is organised but it can be hard to attend due to shifts/commitments. You can always arrange a 1-1 with the end of life team.
I definitely think the woe Lucy theory is on the right tracks though, I think there’s an element of glory hunting. I think she liked the support and love after a difficult situation.
Breast milk in most trusts is kept in a locked fridge and signed in and out due to incidences
Yes I believe so. If found guilty she will have killed more children than Myra Hindley, Rose West or Beverly Allitt so she would be the worst female serial killer of children and as you say acted alone which is even more unusual
The thing that gets me (of course aside from the appalling deaths and attempted murders) is that we are all so trusting when we have a loved one in hospital, we just put everything in the hands of the professionals and assume they are doing their best - thank god they usually are - but in this tiny 1% case like this it really makes you think about the times you have leaned on the professionals and how vulnerable you are as a patient / parent of a patient etc. When your child is in NICU you have no choice than to put blind faith into those around you. It just makes the details all the more disgusting if true.
I think she loved the attention or drama of her heroic actions, that’s another form of god complex surely? Who knows what’s to come out though.
as for the charges, she tried to kill one child three times so three separate charges.
I also read that she worked the night shift where it was easier to do something to the babies because their parents would be resting and not by their bedside, when she was changed to day shifts the rise in incidents switched to daytimes and the common denominator in all incidents was her.
as I say I hope to god they’ve got the right person because her life is finished if not, however, if you were that evil you wouldn’t be able to stop because they’d pointed the finger at someone else Would you?
as for the charges, she tried to kill one child three times so three separate charges.
I also read that she worked the night shift where it was easier to do something to the babies because their parents would be resting and not by their bedside, when she was changed to day shifts the rise in incidents switched to daytimes and the common denominator in all incidents was her.
as I say I hope to god they’ve got the right person because her life is finished if not, however, if you were that evil you wouldn’t be able to stop because they’d pointed the finger at someone else Would you?
Jesus - what kind of unhinged loony kills any baby but to attempt to kill 1 child in 3 different ways….. it’s absolutely horrendous. What an evil woman.
I find it really difficult to follow this case, you know when your brain can't process it?
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