This, they also would have potentially been internally investigating it as well to make sure it wasn’t an accidental drug error, rather than instantly assume it was foul play.
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So what are you suggesting? Why do you think they didn't do anything with the results?
The bag was deliberately contaminated with artificial insulin. It was malicious not accidental. I am struggling to understand your points in relation to the test results.
They initiated a review to see if any other baby was prescribed insulin at that time (they weren’t) incase insulin was administered to the wrong baby. Maybe they concluded it was an unexplained anomaly.
Why was it not taken further? I’m sure that will have to be answered, amongst other things, in an enquiry.
Whatever the reason, it has no relevance to the fact Baby F was poisoned by artificial insulin.
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Why wouldn’t you have to be an expert? The doctors in the hospital in the BA case didn’t understand how to interpret the results at the time properly. Yes we all think it’s a pretty simple concept now but we have been discussing for the past 4 + weeks, if you don’t specialise in this area or come across it very often why would you know ? Taking blood sugar readings and understanding the effects of hypoglycaemia isn’t the same as understanding specialist blood results that can rule out a natural cause. I’m not saying someone didn’t know, perhaps they did and thought tit someone fucked let’s cover it up. But we can not just assume they understood something that is actually pretty complex. My thoughts are IF they did know how to interpret the results they wanted to avoid an investigation and put it down as an accident (fairly sure that was actually stated), or the other explanation was they just didn’t understand what the result meant fully. Either way it doesn’t rule out letby, just highlights, the hospital failed to act at the time.
They’ve just sent off for a rare test though it doesn’t make sense they seem pretty vigilant in terms of finding the issue with child f. The ward wasn’t the greatest no, but they seem to have done the right thing initially by testing but then either ignored the fact there was obviously a murderer on the ward or they came up with another reason other than foul play
I get exactly what you are trying to highlight but the fact is that once a blood test shows a normal result all concern for the previous test result vanishes. I doubt anyone gave it much if any thought once the levels returned to normal until the investigation started.
But we know that it has to have been synthetic insulin, how the hospital dealt with the findings etc doesn’t change that?
if the defence had mentioned an alternative reason if their opening statement I would completely understand the point here. But they haven’t. They’re just going down the route that it wasn’t LL.
I completely agree they should have realised at the time but that doesn’t mean they accepted an alternative reason. It’s quite possible they were doing an internal investigation; I doubt these are quick. They could have thought it was a medication error at first look & because baby was okay they didn’t delve further. But realistically, it’s irrelevant - it was found to be foul play, which is accepted by both sides within this court case.
the hospital had sub-par care & they will hopefully have further repercussions for this as this definitely allowed her to do what she did/get away with it should she be guilty
Hahaha slightly condescending but I’m an easy going young man I’ll let it slide cos I like the little word play in your username, I’m just open minded to what’s gone on here and without all the facts I’m not willing to make a judgement either way is all.
So the hospital knew synthetic insulin that nearly killed a baby in their care was administered deliberately (given that it's accepted that it had to be deliberate) but just shrugged their shoulders and carried on for another year before the investigation started
I’m genuinely just curious that’s why I’m asking, but it seems like you question even the agreed facts/ base line information in this case, is there anything you actually are convinced by?
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion so I mean this with no malice, just interested
If they give a reason why nothing was done and it was put down to an anomaly or whatever I’m happy to accept that. All I’m saying is the fact nothing was done at the time given they had the same information available could mean there’s another explanation we’ve not heard
Why would they send test results to a medical professional who couldn’t interpret them correctly? You’ve said it’s a rare test. Surely a specialist would have reviewed the results
well I guess the time for that other explanation would likely only come out at the defence stage, as it would help them wouldn’t it?. I am reluctant to think they have one as I would assume it would have had to have been stated in the opening statement.
you never know, the jury might have had the Reason why the hospital did nothing explained already or that might be to come - we just might not know because of the reporting
Do we not see a similar case later though? And then the murder still continues without action being taken? ( I don’t think changing her shift pattern is appropriate action when you suspect murder either)
But the fact baby was deliberately poisoned by artificial insulin is an agreed fact.
The defence aren't debating this.
It most definitely does though, the fact the did nothing gives room for another possible reason imo
What’s the other possible reason? Hospital cover up?
Can you explain why a blood test that showed insulin levels that we are being told could only have happened by being deliberately injected was ignored at the time?
The specialist could interpret them. And advised that they send the bloods for further analysis, the hospital didn’t do this. That specialist doesn’t work for the hospital though. What the doctors who requested the bloods did with the results after is down to them, not the facility that actually tested the blood. I said this back along there should be some sort of multi agency safe guarding framework in place when a testing facility finds something suspicious, and they should have a duty to see what went on after and do a follow up.
No because I wasn’t there and have no medical background.
Do you think it’s impossible that the ward didn’t work to its highest standard and LL could be killing babies?
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