its literally inexplicable isn’t it?! I’ve posted loads of waffle about how the fact it even reached the police to me is damning. It’s so hard to explain why people within the environment understand that. Sending solidarityIt’s so sadI’ve worked in health care over ten years and I could never imagine any of the staff doing such a thing so I can totally see why they didn’t follow anything up x
That mum knew
The pain LL inflicted on that poor wee baby is just horrific to think about, and LL getting rid of the mum as quick as she could, so she could carry on hurting him, and the poor mum doing as she was told cos she trusted her
the whole thing is just so chillingI wonder how it come about when they finally realised something was very wrong on the unit . Xits literally inexplicable isn’t it?! I’ve posted loads of waffle about how the fact it even reached the police to me is damning. It’s so hard to explain why people within the environment understand that. Sending solidarity
About to say this. I can see what they’re building up to with how much more calculated doses of insulin were given when she had a chance and I’m in tears. I know baby F survived but this feels different to me, so much more chilling. I’d be genuinely frightened to know I’d worked anywhere near this. F*cking ****.
No I get your point of viewI do completely agree, I just can see why at the time they wouldn’t have ever thought that was the reason. And as the parents just wanted to get F home quickly, I can see why once he stabilised the staff didn’t do any more follow up if it had meant him staying in hospital longer. I hope this has an impact on any future incidents though I really do. And please don’t think I’m disagreeing with you, I really agree with what you’re saying, I’m just seeing the perspective of where the staff may have been on it. She should have been stopped long before Q, unfortunately she used certain things to her advantage, and was so very calculating which also helped her stay under the radar too
i imagine it went down similar to the chat on here, before the evidence was sufficient I imagine some would admit they’d seen something once that looking back felt weird, and some felt like she was the life and soul of the unit and wouldn’t harm a fly.
can’t quite see what you’re asking here lovely? Do you mean why did they not stop her before this or at this point?
I agree, it’s the not following up on some things, makes you question whether it would have meant a different outcome if they had been. Unfortunately though I think LL knew where the weaknesses lay in the unit, and used it fully to her advantage, alongside manipulating her colleagues into thinking they were natural deaths, and that nothing suspicious was going on. She was one devious and evil thingNo I get your point of view
It's a bit similar to the why baby E didn't have PM sce ario....would it have stopped her? Could the other babies have been saved?.
And as I say....irrelevant of LL they really have messed up by overlooking something so serious...it shocks me to think that they did overlook it, but, then again I've been out of the NHS a while now, so maybe I shouldn't be surprised!
I’m not sure as the bbc have reported today, it could not have been accidental and had to be synthetic, so I don’t get why BM didn’t ask anything unless he’s waiting til the 2nd insulin allegation. But maybe he’s waiting to question other members of staff that he’s trying to say are the ones that may have done it? I don’t understand not one question from him, looks worse to me, but I’m sure there is a reason for itI am assuming an internal investigation may have taken place at the time and Dr Gibbs will be cross examined in regards to whatever the findings were.
Guessing as he was overseeing the childs care he would of been involved in the process?
Pure speculation, but if it was deemed accidental/whatever the nhs equivalent is, that is the area reasonable doubt could be placed. Would explain why bm has deferred his cross, it is just not the place he needs to cast his argument. Utter guesswork on my part here for nhs procedure/process
This has confused me a couple of times
Do they mean *that day*? They can't mean in general can they? It states that he had an insulin infusion.
Sorry no not at all, I am rambling clearly
I can see why even though I hate that they didn’t I just mean that I don’t see why it creates doubt if other causes of death or explanations were given before the killer is caught.
Spot on 
