I was thinking how I just could not converse with her by text or in real life because she sounds so wet and drippy...perhaps this sympathy lark is the only way she could get anyone to talk to her outside of work and even that looks like it was starting to wear thin!
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I think you're right there, just been going over the charge sheet on the wiki, Child D has no attempted murder charges associated with them. Would suggest that there was no direct link of LL involvement prior to final collapse.
It's the same condition, it's just called Facticious Disorder now. I don't know if it still has the by proxy bit added for a parent/child situation though.
Question surrounding the waters breaking and her not being admitted to hospital straight away to be checked over. Is this not normal practice? Was this decision considered sub-optimal? It’s just when I went into labour with my second. My waters burst at home (like in the movies) at 3pm ish, I called up the maternity ward and they said if your contractions don’t start just come in toMorrow at some point to be checked over and just avoid bathing. My contractions started about half an hour later so I went in and she was born shortly after. No issues. However, had they not started I would have waited I guess.
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And I’m asking because if we know so little about something how can we diagnose it when the most consistent thing about it (death) isn’t even present
You’ve taken that probably too literally, there are lots of different things she could have looked into surrounding her methods to cover herself and find out more about post mortems. When she was under suspicion I’m sure she’d have cracked and wanted to research how much could be found out about what she’d done. No weird internet history would be a shock if she’s guiltyWait..why the duck would they research injecting air into babies?! are you asking that because you don’t believe air embolism can be the cause of death because some of the victims survived?
And I’m asking because if we know so little about something how can we diagnose it when the most consistent thing about it (death) isn’t even present
I'm gonna have to get myself a VPN - I still occasionally search for people I have had dealings with through a workplace I left 5+ years agoShes only just 4 months and any bruises or marks on non mobile babies are an automatic safeguarding but it barely disturbed her cradle capI had catastrophised and convinced she was being taken away. She seemed so sleepy after I thought she must have some sort of awful injury but she was just due a nap
I guess it would depend how the question was asked and how far in the future it was. I've searched some bizarre tit and ended up on some weird wiki pages. I couldn't remember all contexts.
It looks like if there were (alleged) multiple attempts on the same baby and the baby died, they only charged her with murder and not the attempts. (Baby I is the same). The only ones with multiple attempted murder charges are where the baby survived. I don’t know if that’s a legal thing. I don’t think it necessarily suggests no direct link to Lucy.
My fore-waters went and I called them and they told me to go in to be checked over (i wasnt high risk ir anything). They told me I was 1cm dilated but were going to keep me in to keep an eye on me and do my C section the following day (I was booked for a planned section about 3 days later - stubborn breach baby). The following day I kept getting bumped down the surgery queue by them having to do emergency C sections. Then my hind-waters went in the most spectacular way when I was chatting to a nurse (she said she'd never seen anything like it) and baby had pooed, so from there it was straight into surgery to whip him out.
Ironically enough this was at the Countess of Chester just after the police started their investigation.
*Edited. It wasn't after she was arrested it was after the police were called in
Oh must just be yet another coincidence, that’s she’s happening to sign for administering medication (suggesting that she’s directly involved with contact) for child D all 3 times, and just so happens to be before each of the 3 collapses
There’s 25 minutes between the meds given and the collapse. I can’t see Letby hanging around for all that time hence why she was probably called over.
Honestly, my search history is about brain bleeds, brain damage, what does a seizure look likeShes only just 4 months and any bruises or marks on non mobile babies are an automatic safeguarding but it barely disturbed her cradle cap
If I ever took my little one to an unfamiliar A&E and they didn't know her history & discovered her brain bleeds on a scan without having her history as back up and had me arrested I'd look guilty as sin
In the first few says we brought them home I can't even begin to tell you how dark my Google searching looked
I know we have seen pics of her out with colleagues and at events with them. Maybe some did get on with her. But whenever (I work in hospitality) me and all my work friends would go on nights out, there would always be one or two girls we didn’t particularly like/found annoying, but always invited them out with us, just cos it would be too mean and obvious if we didn’t. And we all got in loads of pics with them too, to anyone else it would look like we really liked them, but most of us avoided being stuck next to them all night, or got so drunk we didn’t care we were stuck talking rubbish to them. Not saying this is the same with them, but can understand how some people get invited out/are in lots of pics when colleagues can’t really bothered with them/find them dull
Three out of the five babies with suspected air embolisms died. That’s pretty consistent with air embolism I believe.
Three medical experts for child a have concluded air embolism as cause of death. Including a radiographer who pointed out specifically on the X-ray where the air embolism is. Along with all the staff witnesses saying how these babies were not expected to collapse or die suddenly. Along with descriptions of other symptoms linked to air embolism like the mottling.
If the defence don’t add anything to this, then are you still going to doubt air embolism as cause of death?
As much as everyone else’s story is valid and important and bloody sad in cases - it derails the thread. Could personal experienced be put under a trigger warning?! No offence but I don’t want others’ sad stories, I’m just here for the trial. And some stories may trigger. Polite request and they do this on the jack monroe threads.
Well, I don’t think any parent would allow their baby to be involved in a study like that, nor would a Dr want to do it.
You’re right that it would be difficult but there doesn’t seem to be a glaringly obvious alternative diagnosis like meningitis, brain haemorrhage or anything like that.
Yes, the babies were being treated for various things but nothing that would flat out just suddenly kill them. Not saying that couldn’t happen.
It will be interesting to hear what the specialist radiologist and pathologists have to say.
True it could fall under totality, fair point. Guess it's wait and see on who administered ect
I would have zero patience for that kinda carry on tbh. I have said it before but it had to have been so draining for those working with her!!
I'm pretty firmly in the Guilty camp, but I do sometimes agree with some of the caveats people are raising.
To me though, she's either the world's most unlucky/incapable nurse, finding herself in all these awful situations just by coincidence.
OR, she's guilty. I do accept that CCOH care was not always the best, but that doesnt add up to this amount of babies dying when they weren't expected to.
To me though, she's either the world's most unlucky/incapable nurse, finding herself in all these awful situations just by coincidence.
OR, she's guilty. I do accept that CCOH care was not always the best, but that doesnt add up to this amount of babies dying when they weren't expected to.
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