It jsut makes me think she may not have been the one to give the medications or had time alone with the baby? As to me it seems the other nurse was with the baby as well since the other nurse seemed to have stayed with the baby. So I’d have thought maybe Lucy signed for the meds for the other nurse
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Me too I was convinced we would hear from them today, I thought they were going to make baby C’s case seem so much stronger. You’d think think they’d call them for each baby as they go along, rather than at the end of all the evidence for each baby. Especially as not all babies have supposed to have been hurt with air, unless the radiologist can also detect things other than air? Wonder when they will actually call them, anyone medical or legal hazard a guess as to why they’ve not been called yet? Can understand the pathologist maybe coming after each babies evidence as he can talk about all the deaths, but don’t understand about the radiologist
Exactly. Even if the explanation is say sepsis, it doesn’t fit the general picture of that either at all..and it just so happens that this condition other than air embolism happens directly after contact with Letby. It cannot be chance. It does not add up.
Do we know for sure they did half a day yesterday? Or is it possible they weren’t allowed to report on it? For fair trial etcMe too I was convinced we would hear from them today, I thought they were going to make baby C’s case seem so much stronger. You’d think think they’d call them for each baby as they go along, rather than at the end of all the evidence for each baby. Especially as not all babies have supposed to have been hurt with air, unless the radiologist can also detect things other than air? Wonder when they will actually call them, anyone medical or legal hazard a guess as to why they’ve not been called yet? Can understand the pathologist maybe coming after each babies evidence as he can talk about all the deaths, but don’t understand about the radiologist
I really think the way she looks plays a big part in peoples perceptions of the case. Stereotypically good looking by society’s standards. Young. Female.
If some creepy old bloke eg. David Fuller was on the stand, I think there would be different opinion.
If some creepy old bloke eg. David Fuller was on the stand, I think there would be different opinion.
I hadn’t even thought of something like this. Must look here and see what exactly is said, I thought they were just finishing early. But could well be something that can’t be reported. If that’s the case I do hope we get to hear from them at some point, cos I also think what they will say will be crucialDo we know for sure they did half a day yesterday? Or is it possible they weren’t allowed to report on it? For fair trial etc
I disagree, the stories shared were relevant. People bravely giving their experiences of examples where the NHS have failed them.
I've thought about this a lot and there definitely is an element of that for me I think. She doesn't seem to fit any kind of 'profile' that I've been aware of before and I think that is what is throwing me off.
Exactly that. Air embolisms are extremely dangerous, we know that they’re often fatal and it’s well documented so we don’t need to research something like that. It would be completely illegal and in line with the sort of thing nazi war criminal Josef Mengele would do to his ‘patients’….
It’s normal practice as far as I know. I said in an earlier post my DiL’s waters broke, it was actually on Christmas Eve, she was asked to come in for a check-up, then they told her to wait at home until her contractions started. Christmas plans all up in the air obviously.
My grandson was born on the 27th. He had a wee cannula and some prophylactic antibiotics for a few days. That was all.
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Yes I think considering what this thread and trial are about (a newborn baby serial killer) I think it's fair to assume that this whole thread carries with it a trigger warning.
I scroll by any I find too upsetting but I certainly would not want anyone to feel like they cannot share their experiences here.
I disagree too, this is a discussion thread on the LL trial and whether people think she is guilty or innocent. A lot of posters on here are basing some of their own opinions on their own experiences, and then using these to help explain how and why this makes them believe or disbelieve certain things we are hearing in the trial. In my opinion this gives a valid, fair and broad view, that everyone is entitled to have. This is not a jack monroe thread, and I think personal stories are extremely important to our discussions on here. Gives everyone a bit of a wider perspective and keeps it balanced and fair. Without people sharing personal stories how would we know what’s “normal” in nhs and what’s not. I’m sorry but I think personal stories are EXTREMELY relevant to this thread. There’s other peoples viewpoints that I’ve seen due to them telling us about their experiences, which to me is the whole point of a discussion
If you see something inappropriate which derails the thread or breaches tattle rules, report it and allow admin to deal with it. Otherwise I think there’s no point in asking for TWs on a thread where the subject topic is a murder trial of multiple babies…
See I disagree here, i don’t know if you were referring to me, but my experience (not sad) was linked to a question surrounding what is classed as common practice when a persons water’s break. To some not being checked over straight away by a medical professional, may be viewed as sub-optimal care, and therefore, failings within the unit. However, I believe it is actually quite a common practice. So while yes there were issues with the mother and she was poorly the delay in her getting assessed isn’t necessarily a failing of the trust. I think more times than not people’s experiences add to the conversation and can assist us in looking at things from a different perspective.
ETA - just noticed others have replied much the same sorry x
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This! My son has another surgery next week and seeing how many LOVELY nurses on here there is makes me feel much better. It is also important for the positive stories to be shared as a lot believe these babies were just ill and would die anyway
Regarding the waters breaking, on my second they broke at home and the midwives weren't bothered until I told them my contractions had started and I had given them the times between them and that. I do think it's common enough for them to tell you to wait.
Which is interesting I think!
I’m going to take a massive leap of faith here
and say for once the one thing that all 3 NG, G and OTF camps agree on is that personal stories, and sharing them here is extremely relevant to this thread, and we all agree that for a healthy discussion/reassurance/answers to questions they need to carry on being shared 
and say for once the one thing that all 3 NG, G and OTF camps agree on is that personal stories, and sharing them here is extremely relevant to this thread, and we all agree that for a healthy discussion/reassurance/answers to questions they need to carry on being shared 
On the live feed from the Chester standard there is no mention of Letby administering medication prior to these collapses and only that she's one of two nurses signing for it. I take it the other nurse would be the one designated for child D? Will we find out who administered the medication once the prosecution call their witnesses?Oh must just be yet another coincidence, that’s she’s happening to sign for administering medication (suggesting that she’s directly involved with contact) for child D all 3 times, and just so happens to be before each of the 3 collapses
There’s loads of reasons for air in the body after death, unless the prosecution have something to clearly indicate air embolus then I’m really not sure what the defence need to say, saying something is possibly the cause is a long long way from proving LL deliberately did anything,
3/5 is not quite the case either she’s said to have attempted to murder some of these children on more than one occasion bringing the strike rate implausibly low, the study shows 1 survivor out of like 50, and they were the only one diagnosed at the time of it happening, which obviously increased the chances of survival, 3/5 is still pushing it if you ask me,
And the x ray, are you talking about the one that shows air near the spine? If so as I said there’s plenty of ways we’re being told air can be found in the body post mortem
Maybe because the pathologist does't agree with the new cause of death from Dr Evans
That sounds about right! Maternity units are sticklers for guidelines. They often work on a 'one size fits all' and not a individual approach...this is where things don't always go to plan, I.e lack of contractions, precipitate births etc.
Maternity units are often understaffed with a threat of labour suites becoming full.
This 'sub-optimal' care is across the board and it tends to be an NHS issue rather than an individual failing (even though that can happen also). I don't know many mum's who had the 'perfect' birthing experience.
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