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I'm really annoyed that this is the only area I want hair to grow in and it won't!!
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Yes this is what I was thinking of, showing it’s premeditated rather than spur of the moment
There's so much good in the world and we need to remember that, especially when looking so closely at this case. (I've stopped following the daily updates and just read because it's a bit too close to home)I know we’re joking and having a laugh but if she’s done this then it’s a really scary world and too much for me to comprehend
Especially when it comes to tiny little babies, there's so many stories out there of tiny little NICU bubs who thrive & the same for health care professionals, there will always be a rotten egg who casts a shadow on the whole profession, but there's so many angels (angles if you're a basic witch) among them.
Apropos of nothing.
My ex BiL was a mental health nurse and a complete bleep.
He started as a prison officer, completed some nursing training, and ended up working in the state mental hospital. He must have made those patients life hell, IMO, one of them did beat him up with a badminton racket.
No offence to MH nurses.
My ex BiL was a mental health nurse and a complete bleep.
He started as a prison officer, completed some nursing training, and ended up working in the state mental hospital. He must have made those patients life hell, IMO, one of them did beat him up with a badminton racket.
No offence to MH nurses.
I’m trying to catch up on all this, read all the wikis, to me, she just seems like a bit of a weirdo, awkward type, lack of social skills, someone I really couldn’t be arsed having to deal with, but she’d probably think I was a nasty witch so meh. Do we know if she had actual friends she socialised with outside of the hospital, a partner etc? Did she have anything else going on in her life besides work?
I personally think she’s guilty how could you not? It’s just far too suspect. The defence will try come up with some rooster and bull story, I don’t agree she’s a psychopath or anything like that, I think she found a way to involve herself in something, gain attention & she enjoyed it.
I personally think she’s guilty how could you not? It’s just far too suspect. The defence will try come up with some rooster and bull story, I don’t agree she’s a psychopath or anything like that, I think she found a way to involve herself in something, gain attention & she enjoyed it.
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Nah, you're fine. I worked with more psychopaths than I ever nursed. It attracts either people who really care (even if loads are basic/wear kitten heels or are contoured and cliquey) or key swinging, power crazed guys.
the panorama program about the MH hospital somewhere in Manchester was absolutely horrific. Don’t understand why people go into caring jobs just to abuse their power
I do think at the time I qualified , a lot of people went into nursing because it was attractive because nhs paid for all university fees and you got a bursary whereas now you don’t get the bursary and you have to pay for it leaving university with debt so it’s a case of really wanting to go into it
Yup, I'm a mental health nurse and honestly we do get an awful time because half of our patients don't want our help but need it and the other half want something that we just can't give them or doesn't exist. It's a difficult job and I've seen some nurses who have become really hardened and spiteful, they're the minority but there's a few in every team I've worked in. I used to work in a children's MH hospital which was closed down because of tragic deaths (after I left) and honestly I wasn't surprised, it was a matter of time.
Even a good nurse can become something they don't want to be if they're burnt out and move to a tit unit with a bad culture, it's sad when these are such vulnerable people.
Completely agree. The burnt out and spiteful ones are the ones who give us a bad name. I have known a few who seemed to go into the job because it gave them power over vulnerable people. They were vile.
I have seen an older nurse pin a patient to the wall by their throat, and another older one tell a black patient they looked like a monkey. Most would never, ever do that, but the bad buggers really are awful.
Luckily, new staff coming in tends to revitalise units a bit, and the culture tends to improve.
Edit: and yes, managing patient and family expectations, or patients denying they need help, does make the job so much harder.
Thank you for doing what you do
Interesting you have mentioned about closure after deaths, was that due to having too many? That makes me believe Lucy is guilty even more because if it was failings they would have closed the unit. Instead they have came out and said there is something sinister and conveniently LL fits (too much of a coincidence for me) what were the repercussions for that unit?I think its different in mental health units, these kids killed themselves and there's no getting around the fact that if the staff had been watching them then they'd still be alive. There had been failings prior to the deaths but they were what sealed it, especially since it wasn't a one off. I know these babies weren't expected to die but they were at least somewhat physically unwell and on an intensive care unit.Thank you for doing what you do
That's so so sad. I hope it didn't effect you too badly on a personal level. Service users completing suicide is really hard to deal with on a personal and professional level.
I think it is hard for me to believe these babies all just suddenly took ill because they were in ICU because every single baby I met on the ward in 3.5 months wen’t home including my own. Of course they were poorly but sometimes the babies were just there because they needed certain equipment. Equally the only time I saw a crash call put out was 3x and 1 was my own baby. Of course they have set backs they all did but ultimately they all wen’t home and they all recovered. I know they say it was short staffed etc but at the same time she had time to text and mess about doing god knows what.
Have to say, it has almost always been my experience as both a patient and a colleague, that the younger nurses tend to be much nicer than the older ones. Obviously there are always exceptions to this though!
I agree to an extent. I don't think it's an age thing so much as how long staff have been in the job, and how burnt out they are. Staff who trained in the old asylums received a very different training to the training MH nurses get now too. It also depends on whether there is a culture of just ignoring bad practice and covering each others backs when it comes to unacceptable behaviour.
It's just not a job you can compare to anything else qnd it does wear you down. I've not stayed in the same job more than 2yrs because I could feel myself getting desensitised and knew it was time to move. I mean, cutting ligatures from children's necks or restraining them and force feeding them while they're screaming and begging you to stop - the first time it's traumatising but by the end I didn't get upset at all so it was time to move. The nurses who stay past that point I find to be the ones who see patients as a task or worse a problem, rather than as vulnerable people, then if you have a ward full of people like that and not enough support, you get issues like in that panorama show.
Yeah I wasn't trying to comment specifically on these babies and I'm waiting for all the evidence until I know what I think, it was more to make a distinction between the deaths of unwell patients in a hospital or MH patients. Poorly people in general hospitals die all the time without foul play but it really doesn't happen much at all in MH hospitals unless somethings massively wrong. That's why I don't think the unit staying open means anything necessarily, and it did downgrade.
To be fair though there are clear policies and rules around gifts from patients and families. Someone should have explained that amount could not be gifted to be used that way. Whether you agree that's fair or not it's very clear and people do lose their jobs over it. It would avoid the drama for someone to have just said what the deal was.There’s currently a bit of drama going down because the mum asked a midwife how our coffee morning went, and she had the balls to say “we didn’t get one, management took the money!”
It does truly make me sad though that hospitals need to pay for necessary equipment through donations. The NHS is absolutely ducked. I’m sorry, I try to stay out of politics now that I’m not living in the UK, but it is so bleeping depressing. We’re going to turn into america soon, the richest third world country in the world
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