Lucy Letby Case #11

[slingo16]

You aspirate, by drawing back on a syringe, which should draw up some stomach contents, you then test the contents with a ph strip. As stomach contents are normally acid this will register on the ph strip and indicate that the tube is in the correct place.

Thank you, and do you check the position more than once across a time period or is it just not likely to move?

 

[Appletiser]

I looked up info and mortality data from my local NICU, the Trevor Mann baby unit in Brighton, to see how it compared

this is the link if anyone’s interested:-

https://www.bsuh.nhs.uk/tmbu/wp-content/uploads/sites/16/2020/06/2019-Annual-Report.pdf

I tried to find a report like this for countess of Chester but couldn’t !

 

[Alzzah]

Exactly this re: SIDS. Dr Evans did comment in his testimony that SIDS in hospital is not really a possibility, it's for at home care.

I know very little about SIDS, I’m just going by the definition on the NHS website in that it is a sudden, unexplained and unexpected death in an otherwise healthy baby. The reduction in SIDS is due to understanding the risk factors associated with SIDS, rather than the underlying cause.

In this case we are not dealing with healthy babies, yet if healthy babies can have a sudden, unexplained and unexpected death, why can’t unhealthy ones?

Hasn’t it been established that CPR can increase the likelihood of air bubbles showing in unexpected locations? I’m assuming resus will have been attempted on each and everyone of these crashes?

edit: spelling resus not resins

 

[Alzzah]

I think they said the babies insulin levels were around 4000 and I’m sure they should be about 15-20 for a small baby. That’s a lot of insulin, I don’t see how that could be an accident. And if it was, surely it would have been rectified straight away?

Any sane person would rather risk losing their job by admitting the mistake, rather than leaving it and allowing the baby to potentially die…

Someone must have thought there was an innocent explanation, as if guilty, this wasn’t her final attempt.

 

[miss.sparkles]

Just been reading through this thread, here is a link some of you may find interesting about how charges are brought by the prosecution;

The Code for Crown Prosecutors | The Crown Prosecution Service

www.cps.gov.uk

Question for this thread, how do people here feel about defendants identities been out there in public? Does anyone think defendants should be given the same anonymity as victims/complainants until proceedings are complete, given that it is not for the defendant to prove their innocence but for the prosecution to prove their guilt?

 

[riddleme89]

The reporting said that some of the messages had been clarified in terms of who sent and who was the recipient but then it wasn't clear.
Although in the initial reporting lots of people took 'Lucy's' responses to be indicative of guilt or shady character yet now we're hearing it was the other way round I'm sure the same will apply which shows the bias people are reading things in. Not a criticism, it's difficult not to with something like this.

Oh really it’s so confusing I can’t keep up xx

 

[mRsKbRoOkS]

These are the poll results from threads 9 and 10 (Friday and Monday).

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what about the poll from thread 1 ? X

 

[AngryBird101]

It’s ofsgy

I started the first few polls with “unsure”
Voted guilty for the last 2 I think.
I said at the start I would wait to hear all the evidence. Haven’t kept to my word as I feel the evidence against her is mounting up.
Maybe the defence will put up enough doubt to swing me back to unsure or even not guilty but it’s unlikely

I think it’s obvious she is guilty and i think it always was, for someone to be accused of killing one baby, then doubt can be there but she has been accused of killing much more, and so it’s unlikely that the suspect would be innocent, plus she was the only nurse who was on shift with every death.

 

[Rippedjeanmaybe]

Was it ever discussed why it was dropped from 8 counts of murder to 7?

 

[Alzzah]

I thought Dr Evans was employed by the NCA (national crime agency) and had ruled some of the incidents in this case to be unascertained?

Because he could find natural causes of death. Him dismissing some deaths as natural does not reinforce that his hypotheses are correct on other deaths, only that he couldn’t find the possibility of crime being committed in those deaths.

 

[Deeznutslol]

What age would LL have been when she started doing these killings?

 

[abelleza]

It’s not a case of ‘wanting her to have done it’.
If she’s done it, she’s done it. If she hasn’t done it she hasn’t.
If she has done it I want her to be found guilty.

I wasn’t talking about you so…

 

[BirkenheadTranny]

On FB.

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Killing babies must have been taking its toll ‍

Hi guys I baked you my very own Allits Allsorts. You never know what you might get.

Some sweetcorn toppings

 

[slingo16]

You should test it before each feed, then record the ph. Or after excessive movement, like if the baby has been taken out of the incubator to be cuddled by the parents.
So yes, it will be checked.
Got to stress, I’ve not worked in neonates for a long, long time but this is the general procedure.

So it wouldn’t be unusual to have an empty syringe around the tube on various different occasions, this is recorded aswell I’d assume would you expect the baby’s designated nurse to do this and does the record indicate which nurse did what particular action?

 

[avabella]

They will be the incubators that have lids on (imagine a fish tank with arm holes) they only stand by the incubator if they are doing something such as a temperature etc (in my experience)

Thank you - so they have lids, so in order to administer something on purpose, you'd have to open the lid? Or can you access lines/ports via outside the incubator?