We’ve not heard what date these babies were born but I think the point they are trying to make with these babies is that they were in hospital and stable the entire time Lucy was on holiday. Yet as soon as she returns to work they have the collapses.
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Heartbreaking
....yes, those babies need a voice and you've put it in perfect context..thankyou
I’m sorry this happened to you but I feel you’re being a bit unfair. It really doesn’t matter whether people on the internet think LL is not guilty, it has no effect on the case and they are not responsible for what happens to LL like the jury are. Obviously turning a blind eye to child abuse or any kind of abuse is unforgivable but I think it’s unfair to compare people who are struggling to understand that level of evil from someone in a caring profession. I don’t think anyone here is naive enough not to understand and accept that child abuse exists, as deplorable as it is, but a nurse killing at least 7 babies and attempting to murder many more whilst working as a nurse, that’s a whole different pill to swallow.
I was thinking as well how the jury won’t have seen the CQC report yet, if they will at all as no guarantee defence will use it. I know a lot of people have referred to it and have strong thoughts that these deaths may be hospital failing related. But I think the jury won’t really have heard much about this yet. I know the hospital staff are prosecution witnesses but there were a lot of them, and I don’t think any of them said much beyond it was busy at times and some delays which weren’t ideal but nothing that would cause these collapses. (Like fluids on baby a)
I suppose what I’m trying to say is at this stage I think the jury are even less likely to consider hospital failings as a cause than many on here do.
I suppose what I’m trying to say is at this stage I think the jury are even less likely to consider hospital failings as a cause than many on here do.
My head is hurting reading all these comments and I agree, she's not making sense.
We need to drop these comments (on every side) cause it’s not necessary and derails and upsets people. Your opinion isn’t more important than anyone else’s, in the same way it’s not less important either. No need for personal digs.
Can we move on?
Killing babies must have been taking its toll
Some sweetcorn toppings
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I have been following but haven’t commented thus far but I do have experience in a healthcare setting of dealing with HCP’s who exhibit controlling, unpleasant and even cruel behaviour.
I always explain it like this:
some people for a variety of reasons go into professions where they have the opportunity to exercise a degree of control over other more vulnerable people. This could mean that they get a degree of personal satisfaction from making an elderly patient wait a long time to be taken to the toilet, making someone wait an unreasonable length of time for pain relief, deliberately inflicting pain on someone or ultimately doing a patient real harm.
the reasons an individual might do this are many and varied but in all cases it is virtually impossible for them to change those behaviours because they chose that profession not to "care for" but to "control" their victims.
I always explain it like this:
some people for a variety of reasons go into professions where they have the opportunity to exercise a degree of control over other more vulnerable people. This could mean that they get a degree of personal satisfaction from making an elderly patient wait a long time to be taken to the toilet, making someone wait an unreasonable length of time for pain relief, deliberately inflicting pain on someone or ultimately doing a patient real harm.
the reasons an individual might do this are many and varied but in all cases it is virtually impossible for them to change those behaviours because they chose that profession not to "care for" but to "control" their victims.
I think that’s what people are wondering though. What makes these cases suspicious and not others that happened when she wasn’t there? So there could be (and probably is) sound medical reasoning why any collapses/deaths that happened when she was absent aren’t suspicious - but we haven’t seen evidence of that so people will be curious. For example in my opinion I don’t find the death of Baby C that suspicious. But that could be due to my lack of medical knowledge. The baby had pneumonia, several episodes of bradycardia and sadly they were unable to resuscitate. Then an independent and well regarded hospital (Alder Hey) did the post mortem and came to the conclusion it was natural causes. So I think it’s fair to ask, were there deaths similar to this one when Lucy wasn’t there and why are they not relevant? There may not be any but it’s a fair question.
I completely agree that it should have been investigated sooner but I watched “the good nurse” on Netflix yesterday & was astounded by the hospitals part in that situation. I will try not to spoilt it but he worked at NINE other hospitals doing what he did & NO ONE raised any alarms/criminal investigations. NINE.
Maybe if everyone just stopped being snarky, or pointing out when they think some else is being snarky, it might help?
I think what they said was fair enough tbh.
Can I just point something out and I'll leave it there cos as I said I'm not here for the backbiting, for want of a better word?
I didn't join the thread till much later on, so didn't see the insults you refer to..but i was on the receiving end of this person yesterday after asking a genuine question.....I kept quiet to avoid it escalating. ..just no need for rhe sarcasm and provocation...
Sorry I don’t want to derail the thread but are you saying I was horrible to you or the person I was quoting? If it was me then I’m sorry, I never want to make anyone feel upset.Can I just point something out and I'll leave it there cos as I said I'm not here for the backbiting, for want of a better word?
I didn't join the thread till much later on, so didn't see the insults you refer to..but i was on the receiving end of this person yesterday after asking a genuine question.....I kept quiet to avoid it escalating. ..just no need for rhe sarcasm and provocation...
What I am trying to do, whilst keeping an open mind even though in my head I have been swayed more to one side, is that I'm looking at the picture as a whole rather than focusing on one specific thing at a time. The amount of victims, the number of charges, the shift patterns, the post it note (there's been more than one it seems), the condition of these babies, the expert opinions, the Facebook searches, the texts to colleagues and her discrepancies in police interviews. I cannot put these points to the back of my mind whilst following this case. Maybe that's wrong of me to do. Whilst one of these isolated things isn't enough to convict, it's does paint a much larger picture of what possibly could have happened.
Oh gosh no...sorry not you!!
The person you're quoting is responding to the person who i refer to( I think!!!!)
Apologies if you thought it was directed at you!!
That’s interesting because I’m almost doing the opposite. Keeping an open mind but examining each piece of evidence separately to test it on its own merits. I agree if you look at the big picture it looks very persuasive, but if some of those things aren’t as robust as we first think then it won’t be as compelling. I don’t think either approach is wrong, just different!
Very interested in how we can respectfully have different views. Thanks for you take on it, as I said nothing from the prosecution on its own is enough, and your point of it not being as compelling is spot on.
Oh god it's just mad....I really would not like to be on that jury
I'm so trying to do this....but can't stop myself also putting these pieces of evidence and facts together and building a picture that is swaying me at this very early stage to me feeling she is guilty....I just can't help it..no matter how I try to look at it....I hope that either the prosecution or the defence come up with something really " concrete " otherwise, if I'm building this picture in my head then I'm guessing some of jury will be too?
It could end up a massive miscarriage of justice or a serial killer walking free...depending upon " how you look at it "
Either scenario is unthinkable....
@BettyCrockerr I’d love to know what you think of all this…
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