Sounds like this has come from individuals as apposed to the CPS here unless I have missed a statement from them ?
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It can be anyone, with the Southport attack it was the local MP who tried to appeal it.
I showed my students the sentencing remarks today, and they all still thought it was too lenient.
Yes - I also think this sentence unduly lenient.
When someone could have easily killed multiple people no sentence less than a lifetime in prison will ever feel enough.
But I don't think years of appeals helps the victims move on.
But I don't think years of appeals helps the victims move on.
It’s the fact it wasn’t a one off acceleration into the crowd. The initial reports at the time almost made it seem like it was and I thought gosh he obviously panicked or had some kind of medical episode and hit accelerate. But that wasn’t factual, he went forward at speed into them, then backwards at speed, then forward again. At one point there was a clearing ahead yet he turned to the right and steered into people. He was raging & he was intent on hurting people - otherwise why reverse a few times when the path ahead had cleared and he could have got off the road?
Hes a maniac with anger issues. Seems like he has been all his life, biting a man’s ear off (he was jailed for this previous) shows he’s never changed. He was dispelled from the army after not even two years & NEVER serving in any war zones or abroad… for violent conduct. He has a reputation as a violent, impulsive thug, not this family guy the media made out.
Hes a maniac with anger issues. Seems like he has been all his life, biting a man’s ear off (he was jailed for this previous) shows he’s never changed. He was dispelled from the army after not even two years & NEVER serving in any war zones or abroad… for violent conduct. He has a reputation as a violent, impulsive thug, not this family guy the media made out.
It takes a couple of months at most in this sort of case, iirc.
Yes, and he also didn't stop the car himself. When this first happened it looked like he had come to his senses and stopped the car himself, I only realised at the sentence hearing that this wasn't the case. He's also showed no remorse by not pleading guilty earlier.
if he’d hit me, I’d probably appeal.
I just don’t understand why people didn’t see the original video as road rage once we found out it wasn’t a terror attack. I had that video within half an hour and it was clear it was deliberate then, the reverse and speed forward into people!
He hit a policewoman before that as well!
I just don’t understand why people didn’t see the original video as road rage once we found out it wasn’t a terror attack. I had that video within half an hour and it was clear it was deliberate then, the reverse and speed forward into people!
He hit a policewoman before that as well!
I am not sure who has challenged the sentence, but I can understand why anyone involved would be unhappy at the sentence and the judges remarks.
The judge gave him a reduction, because he pleaded guilty. He pleaded guilty, at the very last moment, when victims and their families were already in the courtroom with the jury alway sworn in. He could not have left it any later to switch his plea.
The judge remarked that he was not considering his previous convictions, as 30 years had passed, where he had basically kept a clean sheet. Biting off someone’s ear? Really?
As for him rehabilitating himself for the last 30 years, that only means he has not been caught / charged with anything.
The judge considered the statements given of his good character. Statements from his friends and family. How can the opinions of his own loved ones matter - after he has committed such dreadful offences?
He lied and lied to the police.
He actually drove and aimed at people. You can see on the footage when the crowd spreads out, giving him space to move past them (when he is driving through them at speed) - he actually turns so that he can hit more people.
The judges comments that he must serve 2 thirds of his sentence - which is 14 years, I can understand why victims / families will see this as lenient.
The judge gave him a reduction, because he pleaded guilty. He pleaded guilty, at the very last moment, when victims and their families were already in the courtroom with the jury alway sworn in. He could not have left it any later to switch his plea.
The judge remarked that he was not considering his previous convictions, as 30 years had passed, where he had basically kept a clean sheet. Biting off someone’s ear? Really?
As for him rehabilitating himself for the last 30 years, that only means he has not been caught / charged with anything.
The judge considered the statements given of his good character. Statements from his friends and family. How can the opinions of his own loved ones matter - after he has committed such dreadful offences?
He lied and lied to the police.
He actually drove and aimed at people. You can see on the footage when the crowd spreads out, giving him space to move past them (when he is driving through them at speed) - he actually turns so that he can hit more people.
The judges comments that he must serve 2 thirds of his sentence - which is 14 years, I can understand why victims / families will see this as lenient.
I don’t think the judge had much choice but to give 10% reduction for a guilty plea based on sentencing guidelines. If I’ve understood correctly then he only gave the bare minimum that he had to. If he hasn’t done this then I think Doyle himself would have grounds to appeal his sentence.
sentencingcouncil.org.uk
Reduction in sentence for a guilty plea - first hearing on or after 1 June 2017
sentencingcouncil.org.uk
Much of our alleged justice system is so wrong. It really does seem that the UK is the best place to be a criminal - the leniency / soft sentencing.
Not about this case obviously, but when we consider the victims of grape - and how they can spend months / years dreading cross examination at court, only for the rapist to throw in his guilty plea once the jury are sworn in etc, and then still gets the sentence reduction. It’s so wrong.
It might feel like that but I think most places in Europe are much more lenient than us. Not saying that makes it okay though.
Terrible
I have to say it is refreshing to be surrounded by people of sound mind who realise what he was. Some comments I see on websites are WILD
Was going to say, a lot of Europe doesn't really allow life sentences, even for murder.
There seems to be a lot of bots around the comments! between the bots, the sentencing moans, and the he had ptsd brigade, we aren’t talking about male violence, anger and entitlement.
And as a local (not a red) it makes me feel sick that not only the wider smooth-brained public, but particularly a “local“ man falsely tried to blame the crowd of Liverpool fans for what he did to them.
And as a local (not a red) it makes me feel sick that not only the wider smooth-brained public, but particularly a “local“ man falsely tried to blame the crowd of Liverpool fans for what he did to them.
Yes. Scandinavian countries, in particular, focus more on rehabilitation than punishment.
Probably explains why life is so cheap now. Grim.