Liam Payne

[IllBredHen]

Maya Henry said yesterday that he would threaten suicide and was doing this recently with her.

I just want to say in her defence:

1. As a qualified DV adviser, this behaviour described here is absolutely a well known DV tactic and while it may not be in all cases and potentially not here, it really is and if you live with this don't let this case deter you from leaving or seeking help PLEASE.
2. We are all responsible for our own actions and nobody can make anybody complete suicide regardless of how they make them feel in their relationship or by rejecting them.
3. I've experienced DV as a child of a mum who experienced it and as a direct victim. My ex partner threatened suicide as part of DV control regularly. He beat me black and blue, he killed our unborn child and all along he emotionally controlled me by threatening suicide. I lost everything and was totally controlled. He did eventually die by suicide a few years later and the police told me I was lucky he didn't try to take me too as most cases they do.
This is sad beyond measure as was the loss of my KS, but please nobody blame Maya. She was a victim and believe me she'll already be blaming herself, not that she should be!
Wishing love, peace and relief to his family, Cheryl, his son Bear and Maya. These were his choices alone (suicide or accidental substance related death), please remember that when commenting on this and show them respect as they grieve. They aren't to blame.

 

[AllSeeingEye123]

Heartbreaking, and the media have blood on their hands IMO. They have relentlessly ridiculed him. RIP Liam.

No they don't. He was an adult in his 30s, responsible for his own actions. It's sad that he didn't get the help he so desperately needed, but this isn't on the media.

 

[BanditHealer]

Wonder if Maya Henry feels bad? She’s been talking about him a lot past few weeks

I'm sure she feels bad, but she shouldn't as she didn't cause this.

 

[Phil Anne Throw Pee]

My thoughts are with the poor young boy having to be told that Dad chose drugs/alcohol over being a parent to him. And the woman having to break that news to him and break his heart.

I really don't think he was the person that people wanted him to be in their heads. And the news coverage this morning is too saccharine for my taste.

I don't think he 'chose' alcohol and drugs over his son; addiction is a complex beast and sometimes the voices in your head become all too much - he certainly will not have been thinking rationally.

 

[bananabutter]

I haven’t followed the Liam Payne stuff at all and I don’t know anything about Maya Henry. I don’t know what he’s accused of doing.

But I’ve absorbed over recent months that he was behaving erratically, wasn’t in a good place and pretty obviously was spiralling into drugs.

I’m not sure what his ex was hoping to achieve by giving public interviews about him to what looks like a couple of teenagers.

I’m not defending him or attacking her but I think if someone is struggling and in a dark place, then you should be the bigger person and not stick the knife in.

This is such a dangerous take.

So women should just keep quiet in case their abusers are vulnerable? No, absolutely not.

 

[Smca53]

I found the recording of the hotel worker really strange. I speak quite good Spanish and it sounded to me like Liam was already dead and the caller knew that, it was my first thought. His tone was off and the fact he explicitly said the way that he was going to die (or had died) and that the police weren't needed, just the medical team, also surely hotel staff can always enter a hotel room?

Maybe he was thrown from the balcony and thats why he landed head first?

Maybe there's a cover up?

You think what, that a member of staff at the hotel killed him then they covered it up?

Honestly that sort of nonsense belongs in the depths of X

 

[BessieNessie]

Imagine telling his son his dad chose drugs and alcohol over him ..

1 - You’d have to be a seriously malicious and spiteful excuse of a person to think that let alone say it, and to a child.
2 - it’s not true. Drug abuse is not chosen over parenthood, it’s a toxic coping mechanism that wrecks lives. As we see.

He loved his son and his son loved him. Trashing that relationship the day he died says a lot more about the people doing it than it does him.

Poor little Bear my heart hurts for him.

 

[Tinkerbell cat]

Please can we not start with these mad TikTok theories that someone threw him off the balcony? It's insulting and disrespectful. I think a blind man and his dog can see what has happened, you just have to go by the amount of drug paraphernalia in the hotel room.

 

[EllaBella89]

The sad truth is, just because someone is famous and you’re a fan of them or whatever, doesn’t mean they’re this flawless, great human being. I hope his ex has plenty of support, as his crazy fans are going to come after her and blame her. She is not to blame. If someone is being abusive or manipulative, you have every right to call them out for it. He was an adult, with access to the best mental health treatment and rehab money could buy. I’ve seen people desperate for help, stuck on NHS waiting lists, lose their lives because they just haven’t had any support or help.
I’m not diminishing that it’s sad and a total waste of a life, but I’m not going to retroactively pretend he was a great person because of what’s happened. There’s a toxic narrative around mental illness that’s become pervasive in certain corners online in recent years, that basically says you have to put up with bad behaviour and abuse if someone is going through a hard time or has a mental illness, because it might push them over the edge if you don’t. This is coming from someone with a mental illness. It’s no excuse.

 

[yellowmellow]

Katie Waissel sounds like such a grief tourist. It's been less than 24h, maybe keep your public service announcements to yourself. I wonder when she last spoke to him since they were apparently such good friends

 

[Tinkerbell cat]

Posted this on the 1D Thread but thought I should post here after reading some comments on here.

My dad has been going into rehab for most of his life for alcohol addiction and 9/10 he falls off the wagon again, because as much as he does want the help there and then, it doesn't last. It happens time and time again. It's sad.
You can have all the money in the world, all the resources there to help you but ultimately it is down to the person that is needing the help to actually want it because otherwise the cycle continues.
My dad struggles massively with life, he has lost his daughter to cancer, his wife to cancer, and his son in a car accident, amongst many other things and he used/uses alcohol as an escape. It doesn't matter that he has kids that love him, grandkids that love him.
It's an addiction that he has tried to beat many times but he just can't do it.

It really isn't that easy as just going to rehab and you're all good. If it were my dad would have beaten this horrible illness & addiction 40yrs ago.

 

[LennyBriscoe]

I’m just echoing what others have said but I think Maya will undoubtedly feel bad and will probably blame herself - but she shouldn’t. I saw on the news overnight she took out a restraining order to stop him contacting her friends and family and maybe she had one to stop him contacting her too.

Just because someone is famous it shouldn’t mean they’re treated like gods in life or death and the chances of her lying about what her experience of him is are slim. Should he have been above reproach? Absolutely not. I had a terrible relationship when I was younger and every time I tried to leave he said he would take his own life. I was 21 and that was one strand of a complex and damaging relationship. He didn’t but if he had been taking drugs then who knows? You never ever know what is in the drugs you smoke but buying and taking drugs abroad carries an even bigger risk (I would think).

He was a very troubled man by all accounts (he wasn’t on my radar tbh) and he paid the heaviest price for the fame he wanted so badly when he was a KID. Mikey from Boyzone posted a really good point; record companies should have Psychologists on their payroll to give help to young people who are catapulted to fame.

Where was his family? He was 31. Far too young to die but old enough to do what he wanted and when you’re an international superstar that nobody says “no” to, the chances of you listening to anyone must diminish. We don’t know how many people tried to help him as I’ve been hearing and reading he spiralled.

I feel heart sorry for Bear and I feel sorry for Cheryl that she has to break her wee boy’s heart and pick up the pieces. But as much as we shouldn’t put him on a pedestal in death, I don’t think we should forget that relationship, the age difference and the potential impact that had on him. If the genders were reversed we would have heard a lot more about it.

I sincerely hope he’s at peace now. 31 is no age at all and it could have been so different.

 

[girlinbrum]

Honestly think there needs to be better protection for young popstars. If my daughter wanted to work 40+ hours in a cafe at a young age she couldn't. Yet popstars can be young working long hours away from their families surrounded by people using them for money... 31 is no age at all.

 

[Freedomofspeech89]

My sisters friend works at Birmingham airport and apparently his dad has flown out today to bring his body back. Got escorted through the airport. He is absolutely distraught understandably.

 

[WeTalkAboutBruno]

Wonder if Maya Henry feels bad? She’s been talking about him a lot past few weeks

Why should she feel bad?

 

[AllSeeingEye123]

I hope people are looking out for Maya Henry.

You just know after her open and honest opinions this week that 1D freaks are going to blame her and go after her.

 

[KINGAA]

Wonder if Maya Henry feels bad? She’s been talking about him a lot past few weeks

I hope not, I hope she finds peace, he was bombarding her and harassing her most likely when he was on something. In the most awful and terrible way, it’s all over for her and she will need to be strong and offline to heal from this.

I hate when people die suddenly the very bad and dark things disappear and people turn on those who were hurt by that person with what ifs. He was an addict but that doesn’t allow people to behave how he did to Maya which I fully believe, especially now the very thing he would threaten to do, he did last night.

 

[Serene Serena]

I remember my sister telling me about Stephen when he died, I was genuinely in shock. They flew out and came home with his body and Ronan gave his eulogy.

I wasn't a Boyzone fan, but when Stephen died and the rest of the band went to collect him and bring him home, then spent the night in the church with him prior to his funeral, it made me see them all in a different light. They were genuinely brothers who loved him.

 

[whatsever you]

Omg leave the person alone who posted the pic, it’s all over twitter and Google when you search his name. If you knew he fell from a balcony, then you wouldn’t be reading anything about it if it triggers you.

 

[Chilli pepper 19]

I just want to say in her defence:

1. As a qualified DV adviser, this behaviour described here is absolutely a well known DV tactic and while it may not be in all cases and potentially not here, it really is and if you live with this don't let this case deter you from leaving or seeking help PLEASE.
2. We are all responsible for our own actions and nobody can make anybody complete suicide regardless of how they make them feel in their relationship or by rejecting them.
3. I've experienced DV as a child of a mum who experienced it and as a direct victim. My ex partner threatened suicide as part of DV control regularly. He beat me black and blue, he killed our unborn child and all along he emotionally controlled me by threatening suicide. I lost everything and was totally controlled. He did eventually die by suicide a few years later and the police told me I was lucky he didn't try to take me too as most cases they do.
This is sad beyond measure as was the loss of my KS, but please nobody blame Maya. She was a victim and believe me she'll already be blaming herself, not that she should be!
Wishing love, peace and relief to his family, Cheryl, his son Bear and Maya. These were his choices alone (suicide or accidental substance related death), please remember that when commenting on this and show them respect as they grieve. They aren't to blame.

100% this. It's a tragedy he's died so young but I hate it when people suddenly make people a saint when they've died an excuse previous behaviour.