Tbf, we literally have no idea. It could be that they all absolutely adore each other and keep it very private, or that they all love 1D as much as Liam but had “higher value” solo careers so never showed it. And that’s kind of the point — we literally have zero idea. One Direction was so manufactured — what makes anyone think that anything we see now is true? And I don’t mean in a conspiracy way… just that being formed on a reality show as kids doesn’t mean these literally grown men owe us any authenticity. Obviously it’s really sad to think about as all humans on some level crave comprehension and connection but yeah. They make a lot of people very rich to varying extents, and these are their careers. I also think that at least some of the outrage on Twitter must be manufactured. There is no way that all of this discourse is organic. …Or maybe I’m just delusional about the real number of nutters in the world. 🫣
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@tagliatelle I think it's a bit of both. I'm very outside the 1D demographic, so I've only been really exposed to them since Liam died. I've noticed that if you only watch short 'Larry' videos for example, you'd be forgiven for thinking there might well have been something going on - it's not until you watch the full length interviews those shorts have been clipped from that you realise there's been a fair bit of creative editing to make it look a certain way.
So yeah, on the surface there seems to be a lot of nutters, but in actual fact they're just people who aren't that media savvy, being whipped up to a frenzy by people who are probably dining out on all those views and clicks.
I've used Larry as an example, but I think the general point is true of almost any internet "thing" you can think of, including all the JfL people.
So yeah, on the surface there seems to be a lot of nutters, but in actual fact they're just people who aren't that media savvy, being whipped up to a frenzy by people who are probably dining out on all those views and clicks.
I've used Larry as an example, but I think the general point is true of almost any internet "thing" you can think of, including all the JfL people.
I completely agree. I just think there’s a double-standard when fans say: “the media says this and it’s fake!!! Liam says this so it’s real!!!” I guess the parasocial relationship parasocials. I agree, though, that it preys on the vulnerable and there’s “big accounts” that drive the narrative to an extent. The whole thing honestly feels so gross.
A lot of it too is driven by ghoulish people after TikTok views etc, with no real thought for Liam, let alone his poor family.
Anyone making profit out of other people's personal tragedies, like you said is just gross.
That's exactly what it's about...making money. Right from the very beginning, TMZ paid a lot for the picture of him lying there because it brought views to their site. Anytime you get something that is big enough that the whole world is talking about it then everyone jumps on the bandwagon.
It happened with Jay Slayer and Lucy Letby among others as well where people who knew as much as the rest of us (bugger all) were acting as if they were the authority on it and grifting lots of money and other stuff off of people daft enough to believe them. Then as soon as attention was off the subject, they would be on to the next one. A while back, my niece showed me one numpty who switched between claiming he wasn't actually dead but in hiding and the pictures are a doppelganger. Then in the next breath, they claim he was murdered because of what he was going to reveal and while his family know the truth, they were paid to look the other way. Worse still, this wasn't teenagers but adults in their 20s/30s coming up with all this rubbish.
I honestly don't know what's worse, the first instance you've referred to of them making money out of this with the TMZ pictures or the fact that it's still being manipulated online, as sadly that's what it is.
My timeline has had quite a few posts today about B' birthday, and honestly most of them should just absolutely do one, and should be considering how he might be feeling today, and what they have posted and what they will in future.
He might not know right now, but you can guarantee his elder family members have had this thought at some point, and how it will affect him.
For what it's worth, I hope he's had the best birthday possible, I've somewhat been in his shoes by losing a parent around his age (luckily not so publicly,but small town mentality and all that I felt the pressure of every person going knowing my business), so my heart goes out to him, and will continue to do so.
She's playing the Kelsey Hardwick grieving widow role to a T. She needs to go back to being unknown and not using her link to him to gain work and followers.
I have criticised Kate before for the paid interviews and pap-walks, but I don't think she's done anything wrong here. She's posting about him on her socials but no-one is being forced to follow her or watch her content. Is she getting paid for social media posts using his name? Probably, but she did that when he was alive and he didn't seem to have had a problem with it. If his fans think she's cashing in on his name, they can unsubscribe and block her. But they won't because they want unseen pictures of him.
Plus, she's only ever talked about him in a positive light so I can't see how it's harming his family. If I were them I'd be far more upset by some of the things his 'fans' have been posting on their socials, rather than Kate.
Plus, she's only ever talked about him in a positive light so I can't see how it's harming his family. If I were them I'd be far more upset by some of the things his 'fans' have been posting on their socials, rather than Kate.
Meh she's harmless enough.
Better the press focus on her TikTok or something than writing a crappy article about how heart broken Karen is today.
Better the press focus on her TikTok or something than writing a crappy article about how heart broken Karen is today.
30:08mins This journalist talks about a woman who contacted her with a story she wanted told on Liam payne and they gave pictures/texts for their story which were proven to be fake.
Coincidently at same time as this Maya his ex was on a podcast saying how she tried to get in maintstream media about her "allegations" but no one would touch it.
This is why you should be careful about beleiving people with no hard facts or evidence to support their claims.
Coincidently at same time as this Maya his ex was on a podcast saying how she tried to get in maintstream media about her "allegations" but no one would touch it.
This is why you should be careful about beleiving people with no hard facts or evidence to support their claims.
Yeah that's pretty crappy.
Interesting though how they say they were basically ready to publish, and then found out it was fake...
Like how? Surely do your due diligence before you even bother writing the article?
Unless you are only in it for sensationalist chip wrapping paper of course.
I'd be interested to know how they came to the sudden realisation that their scoop was fake right before they published it though.
And in this case it was especially lucky they didn't in light of what was about to happen.
BIB but that's exactly what you're doing. Where's your evidence that they're talking about Maya? There were multiple women saying the same things about Liam. It's just as plausible that they're talking about one of them, possibly even more so.
The truth is we've seen no evidence that shows Liam did abuse Maya, but there's also no evidence that proves he didn't. This constant back-and-forth trying to paint Liam as some sort of saint and Maya as the villain isn't going to change the fact that, like everyone, he was flawed. And his addictions made him act/react in a way he probably wouldn't have when he was sober. If she lied, of course that's abhorrent, but at this point we've no way of proving either way, and it's unlikely we ever will.
Also it's coming from a DM journalist who used to work for The Sun. So there's that.
It doesn't have to be one or the other, I for instance feel every sympathy for both Liam and Maya for very different reasons, just as I feel every sympathy for Kate, Cheryl and their son, his family, his 1D band mates, all for vastly different reasons.
Just taking Liam and Maya into account for example, I feel an immense amount of sympathy for them both, whatever happened between them.
They clearly loved each other at one point, and if reporting is true, they remained in some sort of contact during what would end up being his final months, on whatever basis that was is up for debate.
Neither of them expected him to die, at least not in the way he did.
Whether it was one or the other, or both of them, it's possible to feel very sorry for both of them, let alone everyone else involved in what's turned out to be a very sad story to a young boys life who once had so much promise.
Just taking Liam and Maya into account for example, I feel an immense amount of sympathy for them both, whatever happened between them.
They clearly loved each other at one point, and if reporting is true, they remained in some sort of contact during what would end up being his final months, on whatever basis that was is up for debate.
Neither of them expected him to die, at least not in the way he did.
Whether it was one or the other, or both of them, it's possible to feel very sorry for both of them, let alone everyone else involved in what's turned out to be a very sad story to a young boys life who once had so much promise.
But there were a lot of people saying that we should believe Maya and that she can't possibly be wrong or flawed in any way because she is a woman and we "should always believe women" which I will say, as a woman, that is not the right way to think in any situation. What they possibly dealt with in their relationship should have been kept private and dealt with privately. Liam has said in the past that he isn't perfect and that certain things he struggled with effected his personal relationships with others. Yet these "I will always believe women " people were dragging him down, trying to silence him and not wanting to hear a single word he said about his personal experiences
So it looks like the appeals against the appeals have been dismissed. Let's hope that's the end of it now.
See, my experience outside of Tattle has been the opposite. It's all Maya's fault and Liam's the victim. Some of the stuff I've read about Maya over the past week or so has been horrendous. Death threats and everything. Absolutely ridiculous when there's no evidence [in the public domain] of anything Liam or Maya are alleged to have done.
We most likely will never know for sure what went down but the sad thing is she'll still have 1d fans blaming her for the rest of her life regardless. She already has people going viral with comments like "Liam died thinking people hated him because of her". Any milestone events in her life, like marriage or kids, will most likely be met with similar comments about Liam's death and how she gets to live her life
I wish people would stop with the murder conspiracies as well because it's so disrespectful to his family. One theory is that he didn't fall, but was murdered by the hotel workers, his lifeless body was carried through the lobby (despite there being guests who were pictured speaking to him) and then pushed off the balcony. It's all so far fetched and it's worrying how many older fans are trying to push this narrative. I would understand if a young, naive fan was saying it, but cmon. This isn't 2012 anymore. Grow up
I wish people would stop with the murder conspiracies as well because it's so disrespectful to his family. One theory is that he didn't fall, but was murdered by the hotel workers, his lifeless body was carried through the lobby (despite there being guests who were pictured speaking to him) and then pushed off the balcony. It's all so far fetched and it's worrying how many older fans are trying to push this narrative. I would understand if a young, naive fan was saying it, but cmon. This isn't 2012 anymore. Grow up
Roger has finally dropped the case against Geoff.
www.rollingstone.com
Hopefully this is truly the end of the mudslinging.
Liam Payne's Friend Roger Nores Withdraws Defamation Lawsuit Against Singer's Dad
Liam Payne's friend Roger Nores has pulled his lawsuit against the late singer’s father, Geoff Payne, for defamation.
www.rollingstone.com
I saw some comments on a video the other day going on about their conspiracies, and one was absolutely going on about Harry and Louis being in love, so I clicked on her profile and she’s got to have been in her 40s. Crazy.
She went about it the wrong way. She also filmed herself laughing at hate comments and death threats that Liam got but she still wanted the whole world to sympathise. Also, If I wanted to be believed I wouldn't write a book that contains any fiction but there you go
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It really makes you wonder what support she had, even when Liam was alive. She meets her childhood “idol”, starts dating him, has to deal with a life that involved extreme fame and addiction. Who was even looking after her?She went about it the wrong way. She also filmed herself laughing at hate comments and death threats that Liam got but she still wanted the whole world to sympathise. Also, If I wanted to be believed I wouldn't write a book that contains any fiction but there you go