Liam Payne #6

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So the DM were right, the prosecutor's have appealed the decision to drop the charges against Roger and the two hotel managers.

"The prosecutor and the investigating prosecutor are seeking to overturn two rulings that acquitted the alleged manager of the deceased, the hotel manager, and the security guard of the charges of "culpable homicide" and—in the case of the former—also of "providing and supplying narcotics." Furthermore, the Prosecutor's Assistance Unit before the National Court of Cassation in Criminal and Correctional Matters successfully obtained confirmation from that court of the denial of release for one of the defendants."

I'll try to sum it up but you can read the full report here:

- The main grounds for the appeals is outstanding evidence. Allegedly Liam's laptop, witness testimonies, the hard drives seized from the hotel, and the phones of Roger, Roger's girlfriend and an acquaintance (someone they'd stayed with in Argentina) haven't been analysed. The "acquaintance" is allegedly mentioned in a message ordering drugs.
- Regarding the hotel managers: the attorney general used the same argument as before - they shouldn't have left Liam alone in his room knowing he was vulnerable. They used the 911 transcript where the balcony was mentioned as evidence of this. The appeals court rejected this appeal on Wednesday. An appeal against the dismissal of this appeal can now be submitted to a higher court.
- Regarding Roger: the prosecutors argue he could have "prevented the outcome" because he was responsible for and authorised all of Liam's payments, as well his movements during their trip. He was also present, as witnessed by cleaning staff, whilst Liam was "inhaling a little dust". Because of this, the prosecutors argue the lack of contract between Roger and Liam in terms of duty of care is irrelevant (I'm paraphrasing here). Roger still knew Liam was vulnerable, shouldn't have left him alone whilst he was in a vulnerable state, and shouldn't have given him money when he knew he was spending it on alcohol (knowing about the contraindication with sertraline) and drugs.
- On 26th February charges against Roger for facilitating and supplying drugs to Liam were dismissed due to insufficient evidence. On 6th March prosecutors appealed against this stating key evidence hasn't been analysed (again, the phones, laptop, hard drives, etc.) and Roger had gaven Liam money to buy the drugs from the two dealers (i.e. facilitated his drug use).
- On Wednesday, Braian Paiz was denied a pretrial release from prison as he's deemed a flight risk. The other dealer also remains in prison.



The fact that some of the main evidence hasn't been analysed is frankly ridiculous. The Justice For Liam stans are going to have a field day with this. God help us, and more importantly Liam's family, if the appeals are successful. I can hear the "we told you so" already...
 
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So frustrating.

Just because Roger is a douche with potentially questionable morals, doesn't equate to being responsible for Liam's death.

If he's been incorrectly claiming to be Liam's manager at points and potentially reaping the rewards, surely there's something else more suited than abandonment or manslaughter or whatever it currently is.

Being a tit friend isn't an imprisonable offence last time I looked.

I feel so sorry for Liam's family, and pleased they've managed to maintain a dignified silence in the face of all this.

Cheryl's stalker was sentenced again today, pathetic sentence, considering he'd broken a restraining order etc as well this time too, but assuming the articles are correct, luckily it seems B at least wasn't home when he turned up again in December, which is one thing, right now he definitely should be able to feel his home is a safe place.
 
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I think most (if not all) of us here agree that if there was no legally binding contract stating Roger had duty of care towards Liam, he has nothing to answer to on the negligence/homicide front. I don't like the guy, and I think it's crappy to leave a friend who's overdosed before alone when they're clearly on a binge, but if he had no duty of care, then he had no duty of care.

If, however, Roger did supply Liam with the drugs he took on that day, regardless of whether he'd done so previously or who paid for them, he should be treated the same as the other two dealers.

I'm just baffled that these devices were seized almost 5 months ago and they still haven't been analysed. I'd have thought Roger's at least would have been gone through with a fine-toothed comb. In fact, if I were in Roger's shoes and I was innocent of all allegations against me, I'd be insisting they go through them. What was the point of seizing them if they're just going to sit in police storage for years? [Rhetorical question, obviously. If they're anything like the police over here they'll blame budget cuts]
 
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I just…. Sorry no person has a moral obligation over another grown adult in their 30’s - it’s almost like there trying to take heat off the clear drug problem in America.

Put effort into the suppliers and creators of pink c
 
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I just…. Sorry no person has a moral obligation over another grown adult in their 30’s - it’s almost like there trying to take heat off the clear drug problem in America.

Put effort into the suppliers and creators of pink c
I don't get the hate for the people who supplied Liam with drugs - he presumably asked them for it, if they hadn't supplied the drugs then he could/would have easily got them from somewhere else. The same with alcohol.There's drugs everywhere, Argentina is no exception 🤷‍♀️
And there is a difference between supplying someone with drugs and being a drug dealer.
 
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So the snippets of messages that have been leaked, along with the emails, are they now trying to say that was from Liam's devices only?

I can't help feeling slightly sorry for the two dealers who are currently in jail, we consider Liam's vulnerabilities and extenuating circumstances, but there's haven't been really.

Waiters and hotel porters are usually minimum wage roles in the UK, so god knows what financial position they were in as the same in Argentina, if a famous, multimillionaire is being friendly with you, asking you for favours, surely that'd exert extra pressure on you to help how they asked.

I understand why they're there of course, but meanwhile the middle to higher ups of the chain will continue unaffected. Liam's potential position of influence over them should be taken into consideration at sentencing.

If Roger did procure or facilitate it (by paying for it) he should face the same justice, but I'm sure he won't as he has money, compared to the two people currently sitting in jail.

At the end of the day, none of them could have foreseen this anymore than Liam did, and even he was still capable enough moments before to prepare himself to leave with his bag and hat etc, and at least start climbing over the balcony.
 
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So the snippets of messages that have been leaked, along with the emails, are they now trying to say that was from Liam's devices only?
Not at all. The sources of most of the messages and emails were stated within the leaks. They came from a combination of Liam's phone, Roger's defence document and the hotel.
 
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Not at all. The sources of most of the messages and emails were stated within the leaks. They came from a combination of Liam's phone, Roger's defence document and the hotel.
I've just totally lost track at this point I think!
Worst is none of it should have even been leaked in the first place...
 
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Poor man, let him rest in peace and give his family and friends the privacy to grieve for their devastating loss.
 
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I feel sad watching someone else’s pain, however I do kind of think that maybe these videos should be shared on your private social media only — not to be consumed by the public. Not even because she should hide necessarily, but because it would be healthier for her to process this way. I do also see the point, though, that this account is her job, and I guess she wants to continue to monetise it and I suppose she thinks that she’s avoiding the backlash she would get from never talking about Liam publicly and continuing to post money-making content. The uncomfortable truth is also that her grief here is income-generating, too. This is why influencing is such a terrible idea generally, imo. It’s fine until your “real life” interacts in a way you can’t avoid. What a mess.
 
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How homophobic of you!

Seriously though, I love how they just ignore the fact that if Louis and Harry were closeted, they've had 10 years away from Simon now and could've come out at any time during this period. It's like they're saying "duck Liam's alcoholism, Zayn's eating disorder and Niall's OCD, let's fighting for something we have no real evidence of". It's absolutely ridiculous.
 
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Jesus wept, these people really need to find a better hobby! I didn't realise that Larries were still going, I thought they'd all grown up and were looking back on their ridiculous theories with incredible embarrassment.

Plus, trying to shoehorn Liam's tragic death into their conspiracies is disrespectful and amoral. Let Liam rest in peace, poor man.
 
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Jesus wept, these people really need to find a better hobby! I didn't realise that Larries were still going, I thought they'd all grown up and were looking back on their ridiculous theories with incredible embarrassment.

Plus, trying to shoehorn Liam's tragic death into their conspiracies is disrespectful and amoral. Let Liam rest in peace, poor man.
This.

Louis at least has voiced his discomfort with the Larry theory, and I'm sure both Louis and Harry would be uncomfortable with bringing it into their friends tragic death.
 
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This is the type of non-invasive activity the fans should be putting their energy into, not the "Justice for Liam"/de-closeting Larry stuff. It's somewhere the fans can go to pay their respects and leave messages for Liam's family, whilst respecting everyone's privacy.



In case IG is messing up: it's a reel showing a memorial bench dedicated to Liam in a cemetery in Buenos Aires. Fans can leave messages for Liam's family in a postbox next to the bench.
 
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This is the type of non-invasive activity the fans should be putting their energy into, not the "Justice for Liam"/de-closeting Larry stuff. It's somewhere the fans can go to pay their respects and leave messages for Liam's family, whilst respecting everyone's privacy.



In case IG is messing up: it's a reel showing a memorial bench dedicated to Liam in a cemetery in Buenos Aires. Fans can leave messages for Liam's family in a postbox next to the bench.
That's quite sweet.

And a far better outlet for fans who seem to have become a bit too caught up in all this, especially ones with potential vulnerablities.
 
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I just find it ironic that most of them are like "Outing Harry and Louis is wrong. We want to show that we support them" then proceed to show "proof" which if true would essentially be outing them
 
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I just find it ironic that most of them are like "Outing Harry and Louis is wrong. We want to show that we support them" then proceed to show "proof" which if true would essentially be outing them
It’s the photoshopping of them holding hands and kissing that makes me feel queasy. Whether they shagged or not, it’s quite clear neither man has any deep rooted feelings for the other.

As for using Liam’s tragic end as a means to chat tit about Larry, it’s really unpleasant to read.

I genuinely think that, at some stage, the guys all loved each other like brothers, but that’s distilled with the passage of time. I also think Liam missed the camaraderie of being part of 1D and wasn’t able to move on, like the others have.
 
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