LGB Discussion

[daydreamer95]

The people quoted in the article sound quite insufferable tbh (like one of them calling homophobia a white colonial import as if it’s Matty Healy’s fault - you live in a strict Islamic Sharia law culture that hates women children and gays. People get public lashings there ffs.) I think they’re just mad the concert ended early.

As far as I know, Matty Healy has kissed men on stage on numerous occasions in a lot of countries. He said he wouldn’t have booked the concert in Malaysia had he done his research and known in advance homosexuality was illegal there. He was making a point, and its highlighted to the world that homosexuality is illegal in Malaysia. How is it a bad thing? These homophobic governments/cultures deserve zero respect from the rest of the world. Not enough powerful wealthy people stand up to them, most of them just collect their cheque so I applaud him.

He has an active interest in supporting LGB community that’s his position he already pulled similar stunt in Dubai and everybody is expected to believe he didn’t know about the laws in Malaysia?

Don’t be ridiculous obviously he knew are you saying the man is thick as rit or what?

I asked has his actions helped or harmed the LGB community there?

 

[gisellejoly]

He has an active interest in supporting LGB community that’s his position he already pulled similar stunt in Dubai and everybody is expected to believe he didn’t know about the laws in Malaysia?

Don’t be ridiculous obviously he knew are you saying the man is thick as rit or what?

I asked has his actions helped or harmed the LGB community there?

His action doesn’t have the power to directly or immediately help the LGB community there but it wont harm them - lesbians and gays are already targeted, arrested, caned and sentenced to prison there often. The point of the action is to cause headlines, and hopefully inspire other western artists and companies to boycott Malaysia and similar countries.

Btw a lot of people wouldn’t know it’s illegal to be gay in Malaysia - Tbh in Britain many people wouldn’t even know it is an Islamic country. People tend to be uneducated about geography and politics and the average person mainly associates homophobic laws with Arab countries.

 

[daydreamer95]

His action doesn’t have the power to directly or immediately help the LGB community there but it wont harm them - lesbians and gays are already targeted, arrested, caned and sentenced to prison there often. The point of the action is to cause headlines, and hopefully inspire other western artists and companies to boycott Malaysia and similar countries.

Btw a lot of people wouldn’t know it’s illegal to be gay in Malaysia - Tbh in Britain many people wouldn’t even know it is an Islamic country. People tend to be uneducated about geography and politics and the average person mainly associates homophobic laws with Arab countries.

What about the Haredi community should he go to Stamford Hill next to protest after he is done targeting Muslims?

 

[gisellejoly]

What about the Haredi community should he go to Stamford Hill next to protest after he is done targeting Muslims?

If the haredi in Stamford hill wanna book the 1975 for a gig then sure… I don’t doubt they are very homophobic and treat women and gay members terribly. But I don’t see how a small insular community in a London suburb is comparable to entire shariah governments terrorising homosexual citizens… You can still be gay in Stamford Hill without fearing decades in prison or public lashings

 

[HockyRorror]

I thought what Matt Healy did was highly disrespectful. I don’t know of him other than him being in the news for this, and also briefly dating Taylor Swift. My argument is always 180, if you support Matt doing something like this in Malaysia then you must support a Malaysian artist spouting the same stuff in public in this country, in reverse, despite if you disagree with it or not (and I would not support that).

 

[Ensay]

I didn’t consider it disrespectful because I don’t think homophobic laws are worthy of respect.

That said, I wouldn’t go to Malaysia to criticise their laws - in fact, I wouldn’t ever go there at all. Same with Dubai and any other country that has harsh homophobic laws.

It can be a case of damned if you do and damned if you don’t, because if people do nothing they get criticised, if people are critical of a country’s laws from afar then they’ll get told to actually go to those countries to protest. And then when they do that, they also get criticised. As we’ve seen here.

Both action and inaction is wrong.

 

[daydreamer95]

If the haredi in Stamford hill wanna book the 1975 for a gig then sure… I don’t doubt they are very homophobic and treat women and gay members terribly. But I don’t see how a small insular community in a London suburb is comparable to entire shariah governments terrorising homosexual citizens… You can still be gay in Stamford Hill without fearing decades in prison or public lashings

The Haredi obviously wouldn’t book 1975 I think you know that so it would require MH to make arrangements for himself to go stand in their community in front of them to perform his style of profanity laden kissing LGB activism

The optics of targeting religious Jews hasn’t shifted to the point where most people would feel comfortable is why we probably won’t see this happening I might be wrong

It’s been an easy open season on turn the other cheek Christians for everybody let’s see how Muslims respond to being purposefully targeted for provocation

 

[Ensay]

I wouldn't openly disrespect someone's religion if they were just minding their own business, but if a religion decides it wants to openly criticise me for being gay -- something I did not choose, can't change and shouldn't need to change -- then they can get lost to be frank.

Religion should be a personal thing. Everyone should be free to hold their beliefs and practice their religion, but they don't need to start telling gay people they're going to hell or whatever the equivalent is in other religions. Most gay people don't care about those sort of views and don't want to hear it.

But if religious people make the choice to air homophobic comments openly, then they shouldn't be surprised to get criticism right back at them without crying about religious rights being infringed. Racism in the name of religion wouldn't be tolerated, so why is religious homophobia often seen to be acceptable?

It's not and I'll call it out.

 

[Sideboard Bob]

Religious homophobia has affected me more than I realised, because for most of my life I just “accepted“ it as a normal part of life. It was a big part of why I was scared to come out for so long. And I felt like they almost had this “moral authority“ and “excuse” to be homophobic, which is ridiculous, but at the time I didn’t have much information telling me otherwise. When someone uses their religion as an excuse to be homophobic I find it upsetting and confusing.
Sorry this post is kind of rambling, it’s something I’m still getting my head around at the moment.

 

[gisellejoly]

The Haredi obviously wouldn’t book 1975 I think you know that so it would require MH to make arrangements for himself to go stand in their community in front of them to perform his style of profanity laden kissing LGB activism

The optics of targeting religious Jews hasn’t shifted to the point where most people would feel comfortable is why we probably won’t see this happening I might be wrong

It’s been an easy open season on turn the other cheek Christians for everybody let’s see how Muslims respond to being purposefully targeted for provocation

Your comparison doesnt make sense. Fundamentalist Jews live in insular communities and don’t run entire countries and inflict their homophobic beliefs on every citizen in law the way Islam does in Shariah countries. If they did, then the world would be very different and I’m sure protests like Matty Healy’s would occur.
Why would Matty Healy need to go to Stamford Hill to kiss a man? Plenty of gay men live there already and kiss on the street because it’s in England and that’s allowed. It’s a free country and the Haredi are free to dislike it, but they have no power to stop it from happening, unlike the Islamists in Malaysia who have the power to stop an entire multi-million pound concert or put someone in jail for 20 years just for kissing someone of the same sex.

 

[daydreamer95]

Your comparison doesnt make sense. Fundamentalist Jews live in insular communities and don’t run entire countries and inflict their homophobic beliefs on every citizen in law the way Islam does in Shariah countries. If they did, then the world would be very different and I’m sure protests like Matty Healy’s would occur.
Why would Matty Healy need to go to Stamford Hill to kiss a man? Plenty of gay men live there already and kiss on the street because it’s in England and that’s allowed. It’s a free country and the Haredi are free to dislike it, but they have no power to stop it from happening, unlike the Islamists in Malaysia who have the power to stop an entire multi-million pound concert or put someone in jail for 20 years just for kissing someone of the same sex.

I get it you fully endorse Matty Healy LGB protest style, will you be joining a kissing campaign travelling to Muslim countries anytime soon?

 

[Ensay]

Religious homophobia has affected me more than I realised, because for most of my life I just “accepted“ it as a normal part of life. It was a big part of why I was scared to come out for so long. And I felt like they almost had this “moral authority“ and “excuse” to be homophobic, which is ridiculous, but at the time I didn’t have much information telling me otherwise. When someone uses their religion as an excuse to be homophobic I find it upsetting and confusing.
Sorry this post is kind of rambling, it’s something I’m still getting my head around at the moment.

No need to apologise. I don't think your post is rambling; it makes perfect sense. Religious people who are homophobic do sometimes act as though their view is 100% right and therefore that it's not to be challenged. They can also use it to absolve themselves of any responsibility, with lines such as: "Hey, it's not my view, but you can't argue with the word of God".

I was raised in a religious household, but my parents never openly expressed homophobic views. They also didn't really express any positive views about gay people; it was just never a subject we ever discussed. That said, deep down I knew they didn't harbour any homophobic opinions as they were always able to take the 'good' parts of religion (eg caring for one's neighbour) and realising some of the more judgemental aspects were old-fashioned.

 

[gisellejoly]

I get it you fully endorse Matty Healy LGB protest style, will you be joining a kissing campaign travelling to Muslim countries anytime soon?

I wouldn’t darken the door of one of those shithole countries and neither would most other women or gay person with half a braincell.

 

[daydreamer95]

I wouldn’t darken the door of one of those shithole countries and neither would most other women or gay person with half a braincell.

I asked what Muslim country you would go to and response is Shithole countries others seem to agree with you it’s good for me to know what type of people I’m dealing with here

 

[Peachsquish]

I asked what Muslim country you would go to and response is Shithole countries others seem to agree with you it’s good for me to know what type of people I’m dealing with here

Why are you trying to paint people who wouldn't want to go to countries with a history of very poor rights for women and lgb as racist xenophobes

 

[daydreamer95]

Why are you trying to paint people who wouldn't want to go to countries with a history of very poor rights for women and lgb as racist xenophobes

Is that how my post made you feel like a racist xenophobe?

 

[gisellejoly]

I asked what Muslim country you would go to and response is Shithole countries others seem to agree with you it’s good for me to know what type of people I’m dealing with here

A person who thinks that countries with laws guided by a barbaric religion that discriminates against women and children and criminalises gays are shitholes? Yes that’s me Sorry if that upsets you!

 

[daydreamer95]

A person who thinks that countries with laws guided by a barbaric religion that discriminates against women and children and criminalises gays are shitholes? Yes that’s me Sorry if that upsets you!

Don’t worry about apologising to me, you crack on being emboldened

 

[OwlAtTheMoon]

Oof, snarky, provoke-y vibe on here today or what!!!! I read yesterday that on average in the UK people use their smartphones for 4.5 hours a day, most of that scrolling the internet and sm. That's average, so for some it's much more (or, equivalently, less). Time for this Owl to ditch the phone and head for calmer panoramas xx

 

[HockyRorror]

That said, I wouldn’t go to Malaysia to criticise their laws - in fact, I wouldn’t ever go there at all. Same with Dubai and any other country that has harsh homophobic laws.

Neither would I. But it’s so arrogant to travel to a country knowing it’s rules and then flaunting them regardless (and mostly seems to always be from a western tilt).

can be a case of damned if you do and damned if you don’t, because if people do nothing they get criticised, if people are critical of a country’s laws from afar then they’ll get told to actually go to those countries to protest. And then when they do that, they also get criticised. As we’ve seen here.

Both action and inaction is wrong.

Not from me. Go to a country, abide by and respect its rules, as far as I’m concerned. Which equally applies to a Muslim family visiting Brighton from Morocco during pride month.