By genuine I mean someone who genuinely feels they're in the wrong body and transitions, including gender reassignment surgery, to the opposite sex after therapy. I know there are some detransitioners, but the majority of people who transition are then more comfortable in their skin afterwards. I don't believe anyone takes that step lightly and without consideration.
That’s your definition of genuine. But in todays society it’s now socially and at times, legally acceptable for people who have had absolutely no surgery whatsoever, and don’t even attempt to “appear as the opposite sex” to be classed as such. And we are told (loudly, and routinely) this is genuine because they say it’s genuine. Genuinely, if I told people I was 10 foot 11 they’d think I was crazyI’m 5’9.
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don't see the issue here. If someone wants to have gender reassignment surgery and feels better off for it, then who am I to argue? I'm not going to tell someone they shouldn't do that if they feel it's right. It's their body.
There’s an 18 year old woman in court at the moment, suing a hospital for cutting off her breasts when she was 13 years old because at the time she said she was trans and wanted to be a boy, and doctors complied, and now she bitterly and depressingly regrets it. I do wonder if you’d be able to look her in the eyes and casually say what you said above with such ease? I would personally limit any surgery above the age of 25 but in line with laws then 18 years+ only.
I also don't get the "how dare you?" bit. This place does have more right wingers in my experience. They're free to be of that opinion and are free to post about it, just as I'm free to post what I did. I question that everyone here is supportive, but we don't have to agree on that point, as perceptions are clearly going to differ from person to person.
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No, that wasn’t my point. At all. You posted in a way akin to “this thread was posted by me as an LGB supportive thread but some of you lot are being unsupportive to me”. Disagreement isn’t unsupportive. Just because people don’t agree with you doesn’t mean they still don’t have common ground. It’s clear we are never going to agree on this (as long as you don’t change your mind - I won’t). It’s also clear this is going to continue to be a main topic on this thread for various reasons already explained in the thread previously. You are always going to face disagreement in your thread when this topic pops up again, and you make a comment on it, because of how contentious it is.
And you pass it off as a cheap argument as people being right wing. Maybe some people are? Who cares? We’re not Spain, or France, or any other European country where right wing tilters on the throes of actual nazi behaviour. Our equivalent to that would be the BNP, who no longer exist, or to a lesser extent UKIP, who are nowhere near in power. You are describing Conservatives as being right wing. But in this country, the “right wing” as you call it wrote same sex marriage into law. So… not getting it…
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@Metropolis No, it comes from the fact that I think many trans people are genuine and just want to live their lives as they see fit. On the contrary, I'm told on here often that, as a gay man, trans ideology does have an impact on me - because apparently I'm meant to be told I have to sleep with trans men.
People can call me names, say I'm wrong, whatever they want. But I have my views and I'm sticking to them.
Good. But also understand, people disagree with you and will tell you why. And it’s not homophobia or being unsupportive, it’s disagreement. Why you’re so confident in accusing LGB and supporters posting on an LGB thread of being right wing is utterly beyond me, but they’re your views and you are apparently sticking to them.
@Metropolis No, it comes from the fact that I think many trans people are genuine and just want to live their lives as they see fit. On the contrary, I'm told on here often that, as a gay man, trans ideology does have an impact on me - because apparently
I'm meant to be told I have to sleep with trans men.
Has anyone actually said that though? I remember writing it to you in a way to say “imagine if this happened” as an example of how it happens to lesbians, but I don’t recall anyone telling you you must sleep with trans men??
As an alternative example, I’ll give this: There’s a charity/prize fund for gay men to get into building, because the building industry feels it needs to extend its diversity quota. The winner is a married (to a woman) man of 40, with four kids. He identifies as queer. He wins 10 grand.
In what way is that fair to gay men? And don’t say things like this wouldn’t happen. Because they have.
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